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	<title>Comments on: Kerry, NASA&#8217;s budget, and prizes</title>
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		<title>By: Jason Rhian</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/06/28/kerry-nasas-budget-and-prizes/#comment-757</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2004 12:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kerry wont get us out of low Earth orbit. Bush is the 1st President since Kennedy to propose a initiative to change everything. TO that Kerry cant hold a candle.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kerry wont get us out of low Earth orbit. Bush is the 1st President since Kennedy to propose a initiative to change everything. TO that Kerry cant hold a candle.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2004 04:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, that first paragraph was a quote from Dr. Day.  Again, I forgot that this comments section doesn&#039;t allow HTML.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, that first paragraph was a quote from Dr. Day.  Again, I forgot that this comments section doesn&#8217;t allow HTML.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/06/28/kerry-nasas-budget-and-prizes/#comment-755</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2004 03:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From a comment on Slashdot:

&quot;My opinion on prizes: Prizes are great, but they should complement grants, not replace them. An analogy: If we want to catch Osama bin Laden, we should put a big bounty on him. But that doesn&#039;t mean we should call off the military and the CIA. We should post a big bounty AND fund the military and the CIA. Same thing with space: Put a big &#039;bounty&#039; on space achievements, but fund NASA too.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a comment on Slashdot:</p>
<p>&#8220;My opinion on prizes: Prizes are great, but they should complement grants, not replace them. An analogy: If we want to catch Osama bin Laden, we should put a big bounty on him. But that doesn&#8217;t mean we should call off the military and the CIA. We should post a big bounty AND fund the military and the CIA. Same thing with space: Put a big &#8216;bounty&#8217; on space achievements, but fund NASA too.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/06/28/kerry-nasas-budget-and-prizes/#comment-754</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2004 00:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Can the US government put large amounts of money into private escrow? (I don&#039;t think so.)&lt;/em&gt;

Land a billion dollars in cash, in unmarked bills, in a safe on the moon...

Anyway, I never claimed that prizes are intrsinsically good. Obviously, they have to be implemented properly, and we certainly may not know as much as we need to about how that&#039;s accomplished (which is why it&#039;s useful to try to get some going soon so we can start climbing that learning curve).  There may indeed be lessons to be learned from the DARPA challenge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Can the US government put large amounts of money into private escrow? (I don&#8217;t think so.)</em></p>
<p>Land a billion dollars in cash, in unmarked bills, in a safe on the moon&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I never claimed that prizes are intrsinsically good. Obviously, they have to be implemented properly, and we certainly may not know as much as we need to about how that&#8217;s accomplished (which is why it&#8217;s useful to try to get some going soon so we can start climbing that learning curve).  There may indeed be lessons to be learned from the DARPA challenge.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne A. Day</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/06/28/kerry-nasas-budget-and-prizes/#comment-753</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dwayne A. Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Simberg wrote:
&quot;What bad thing could result from a prize, other than the goal not being accomplished?&quot;

I think you&#039;re instantly jumping to the extreme conclusion and assuming that I am arguing that they could be &quot;bad&quot; as opposed to &quot;not as good as the advocates claim.&quot;  (And I would also argue that in some cases &quot;the goal not being accomplished&quot; could be pretty bad indeed.)

I was trying to point out that more thought needs to be put into prizes than simply &quot;Yippee!  They&#039;re good!&quot;  Part of this would be determining legal requirements for doing them.  For instance, right now NASA is not allowed to award prizes for more than $250K, requiring changes in the law.  But are there other political consequences and roadblocks that are currently not being thought about?  One that occurs to me is implementation.  Congress cannot currently commit future congresses to spend money.  So today&#039;s Congress cannot create a prize that pays $100 million in five years, because five years from now _that_ Congress may decide not to pay the prize.  So how does one get around this?  Can the US government put large amounts of money into private escrow?  (I don&#039;t think so.)

You yourself had some critical words to say about the DARPA robotics prize.  What exactly went wrong there?  Did they not think things through?  What should they do differently?  And now that they&#039;re running that competition again, have they learned any lessons from the first failure?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Simberg wrote:<br />
&#8220;What bad thing could result from a prize, other than the goal not being accomplished?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re instantly jumping to the extreme conclusion and assuming that I am arguing that they could be &#8220;bad&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;not as good as the advocates claim.&#8221;  (And I would also argue that in some cases &#8220;the goal not being accomplished&#8221; could be pretty bad indeed.)</p>
<p>I was trying to point out that more thought needs to be put into prizes than simply &#8220;Yippee!  They&#8217;re good!&#8221;  Part of this would be determining legal requirements for doing them.  For instance, right now NASA is not allowed to award prizes for more than $250K, requiring changes in the law.  But are there other political consequences and roadblocks that are currently not being thought about?  One that occurs to me is implementation.  Congress cannot currently commit future congresses to spend money.  So today&#8217;s Congress cannot create a prize that pays $100 million in five years, because five years from now _that_ Congress may decide not to pay the prize.  So how does one get around this?  Can the US government put large amounts of money into private escrow?  (I don&#8217;t think so.)</p>
<p>You yourself had some critical words to say about the DARPA robotics prize.  What exactly went wrong there?  Did they not think things through?  What should they do differently?  And now that they&#8217;re running that competition again, have they learned any lessons from the first failure?</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2004 20:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What bad thing could result from a prize, other than the goal not being accomplished?  That often happens with the way that NASA approaches things anyway, and unlike prizes, it often costs the taxpayers billions.

Prizes shouldn&#039;t be used for national imperatives, but they&#039;re great for &quot;nice to haves&quot; that the government has shown an inability to do.  And given the history of the space program, with all its failure and pork, it&#039;s hard to argue that anything about civil space, particularly civil manned space, is something in which &quot;failure is not an option.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bad thing could result from a prize, other than the goal not being accomplished?  That often happens with the way that NASA approaches things anyway, and unlike prizes, it often costs the taxpayers billions.</p>
<p>Prizes shouldn&#8217;t be used for national imperatives, but they&#8217;re great for &#8220;nice to haves&#8221; that the government has shown an inability to do.  And given the history of the space program, with all its failure and pork, it&#8217;s hard to argue that anything about civil space, particularly civil manned space, is something in which &#8220;failure is not an option.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne A. Day</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dwayne A. Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jun 2004 19:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom Hill has a thought-provoking essay on the prize issue on The Space Review.  He raises some questions that have been itching my brain for awhile now.  The biggest one is whether we have any reliable data on if prizes work and how well they work.  The advocates always cite success stories, but they are not really unbiased.  It strikes me as if somebody should do a careful, unbiased analysis of prizes because right now the unbridled enthusiasm seems to be running amok (is that a mixed metaphor?).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Hill has a thought-provoking essay on the prize issue on The Space Review.  He raises some questions that have been itching my brain for awhile now.  The biggest one is whether we have any reliable data on if prizes work and how well they work.  The advocates always cite success stories, but they are not really unbiased.  It strikes me as if somebody should do a careful, unbiased analysis of prizes because right now the unbridled enthusiasm seems to be running amok (is that a mixed metaphor?).</p>
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