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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1153</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I wouldn’t hold O’Keefe responsible for the Columbia accident due to his short tenure.&quot;

O&#039;Keefe exerted schedule pressure on the STS-107 launch that possibly prevented a more detailed evaluation of the earlier foam shedding incident.

As for O&#039;Keefe missing opportunities, one big one is his refusal to immediately squelch the one trillion dollar cost estimate for the new space plan.  His own agency produced a much lower estimate, but O&#039;Keefe did little to publicize it.

We should also keep in mind that the current Hubble robot mission is at best a desperation move; and at worst it is a crass ploy to silence the critics by sending an expensive, risky mission to Congress and asking them to fund it.  The position taken by O&#039;Keefe seems to be that the only mistake in the Hubble decision was the timing--and that they blame on a leak from the White House.  One wonders how they thought they could keep this decision under wraps.  And one also wonders how come they so seriously misunderestimated the public reaction.  O&#039;Keefe was at NASA for over two years and yet he did not realize that Hubble is perhaps the most popular thing that NASA does?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I wouldn’t hold O’Keefe responsible for the Columbia accident due to his short tenure.&#8221;</p>
<p>O&#8217;Keefe exerted schedule pressure on the STS-107 launch that possibly prevented a more detailed evaluation of the earlier foam shedding incident.</p>
<p>As for O&#8217;Keefe missing opportunities, one big one is his refusal to immediately squelch the one trillion dollar cost estimate for the new space plan.  His own agency produced a much lower estimate, but O&#8217;Keefe did little to publicize it.</p>
<p>We should also keep in mind that the current Hubble robot mission is at best a desperation move; and at worst it is a crass ploy to silence the critics by sending an expensive, risky mission to Congress and asking them to fund it.  The position taken by O&#8217;Keefe seems to be that the only mistake in the Hubble decision was the timing&#8211;and that they blame on a leak from the White House.  One wonders how they thought they could keep this decision under wraps.  And one also wonders how come they so seriously misunderestimated the public reaction.  O&#8217;Keefe was at NASA for over two years and yet he did not realize that Hubble is perhaps the most popular thing that NASA does?</p>
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		<title>By: John Malkin</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Malkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn’t hold O’Keefe responsible for the Columbia accident due to his short tenure; I actually blame Congress or at least the space subcommittee.  Congress has always nitpicked at NASA while missing the big problems.  I see attorneys do it all the time; I call it “penny wise and dollar stupid”.  This usually comes from unclear goals and uncertain support.  When you don’t have support from the top, you begin to feel like a victim.  Many people feel this way about government, since they don’t have direct control of governmental actions.

The money spent on Return to Flight is not wasted. A new vehicle will take years to develop and we must continue construction of the Space Station or we will loose all respect from our partners.  In diplomacy this has been a shinning star and example how something like star fleet could happen someday.  So much has happen since Columbia, much larger changes than after Challenger and a real idea of what America should be doing in space but I worry the gestalt of Congress will not see a true vision.  The opportunities are ahead and our voices must continue to shout.  By design our government moves slowly so people must be diligent.

Both ESA and Japan are building transfer vehicles and a progress vehicle is docking on Saturday.  The Russia economy is near or below depression standards and yet the government has continued the relationship with NASA.  I’m sure if Congress knew the position now, they would have modified the Act to allow NASA to purchase hardware. NASA can’t build any vehicle without consent of Congress.  The concept of creating space systems is to give NASA more flexibility in building vehicles.  Hopefully they will build a modular design that is multifunctional and from the concept videos, it appears to be there direction.

It’s not a true “Robot”, it’s more of a remote control extension.  The technology is similar to the Canadian “Hand” for the space station which attaches to the space station robotic arm.  This is not an autonomous repair robot, it will be control similar to the robotic arm on the shuttle and station with some intelligence like the Mars Exploration Rovers.  NASA has many years experience with this technology and experiments in even more autonomous robots.  This concept could be used to service James Webb in the future, since it will be at L2.

I would like to see O’Keefe get more private sector and entrepreneurial companies involved in all aspects of NASA but I know this will take time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn’t hold O’Keefe responsible for the Columbia accident due to his short tenure; I actually blame Congress or at least the space subcommittee.  Congress has always nitpicked at NASA while missing the big problems.  I see attorneys do it all the time; I call it “penny wise and dollar stupid”.  This usually comes from unclear goals and uncertain support.  When you don’t have support from the top, you begin to feel like a victim.  Many people feel this way about government, since they don’t have direct control of governmental actions.</p>
<p>The money spent on Return to Flight is not wasted. A new vehicle will take years to develop and we must continue construction of the Space Station or we will loose all respect from our partners.  In diplomacy this has been a shinning star and example how something like star fleet could happen someday.  So much has happen since Columbia, much larger changes than after Challenger and a real idea of what America should be doing in space but I worry the gestalt of Congress will not see a true vision.  The opportunities are ahead and our voices must continue to shout.  By design our government moves slowly so people must be diligent.</p>
<p>Both ESA and Japan are building transfer vehicles and a progress vehicle is docking on Saturday.  The Russia economy is near or below depression standards and yet the government has continued the relationship with NASA.  I’m sure if Congress knew the position now, they would have modified the Act to allow NASA to purchase hardware. NASA can’t build any vehicle without consent of Congress.  The concept of creating space systems is to give NASA more flexibility in building vehicles.  Hopefully they will build a modular design that is multifunctional and from the concept videos, it appears to be there direction.</p>
<p>It’s not a true “Robot”, it’s more of a remote control extension.  The technology is similar to the Canadian “Hand” for the space station which attaches to the space station robotic arm.  This is not an autonomous repair robot, it will be control similar to the robotic arm on the shuttle and station with some intelligence like the Mars Exploration Rovers.  NASA has many years experience with this technology and experiments in even more autonomous robots.  This concept could be used to service James Webb in the future, since it will be at L2.</p>
<p>I would like to see O’Keefe get more private sector and entrepreneurial companies involved in all aspects of NASA but I know this will take time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogsbd</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1151</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Okeefe has missed a zillion oppurtunities.&quot;


Yet you&#039;ve not specifically named and/or detailed even ONE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Okeefe has missed a zillion oppurtunities.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet you&#8217;ve not specifically named and/or detailed even ONE.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1150</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2004 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think O’Keefe has done the best job of any NASA administrator. What opportunities has he squandered?


Posted by John Malkin at August 11, 2004 11:04 AM 

Hello John.

Let me tackle both of your questions.

First the station is only a temporarly, very temporary safe haven.  Yes the crew of the orbiter could stay there, but very quickly everone would be on bread and water (or maybe just water).

The shuttle&#039;s fuel cells could be tapped for lots of water as power wained.  And the food supplies could really be stretched if everyone went into chimp mode and energy on the shuttle conserved...etc etc.

But before long the shuttle would run out of power for the fuel cells and die.  Then there would be loads of problems on the station (control might be one) and there would be the issues of supplies.

Yeah a &quot;rescue&quot; could be launched but what happens if a hole appears in that vehicle?

The stations resupply is not working all tha well with two on it.

Okeefe has missed a zillion oppurtunities.  I&#039;ll pass on his part in losing the shuttle...and go to the recovery stage.  We will have spent a lot of money and two years on shuttle recovery that should have been spent on alt access.

His Hubble recovery plan is well impossble.  We have never done an automated rendezvous much less an automated service.  Do you really think that has a chance of coming in on time and on budget?

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think O’Keefe has done the best job of any NASA administrator. What opportunities has he squandered?</p>
<p>Posted by John Malkin at August 11, 2004 11:04 AM </p>
<p>Hello John.</p>
<p>Let me tackle both of your questions.</p>
<p>First the station is only a temporarly, very temporary safe haven.  Yes the crew of the orbiter could stay there, but very quickly everone would be on bread and water (or maybe just water).</p>
<p>The shuttle&#8217;s fuel cells could be tapped for lots of water as power wained.  And the food supplies could really be stretched if everyone went into chimp mode and energy on the shuttle conserved&#8230;etc etc.</p>
<p>But before long the shuttle would run out of power for the fuel cells and die.  Then there would be loads of problems on the station (control might be one) and there would be the issues of supplies.</p>
<p>Yeah a &#8220;rescue&#8221; could be launched but what happens if a hole appears in that vehicle?</p>
<p>The stations resupply is not working all tha well with two on it.</p>
<p>Okeefe has missed a zillion oppurtunities.  I&#8217;ll pass on his part in losing the shuttle&#8230;and go to the recovery stage.  We will have spent a lot of money and two years on shuttle recovery that should have been spent on alt access.</p>
<p>His Hubble recovery plan is well impossble.  We have never done an automated rendezvous much less an automated service.  Do you really think that has a chance of coming in on time and on budget?</p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: John Malkin</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1149</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Malkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I imagine NASA will store parts on the ISS but just because you have parts it&#039;s very different to repairing it in space.  It takes them weeks to put those panels on the shuttle, there are several layers at each spot.  They would need to do at least 3 to 4 space walks to repair once section.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine NASA will store parts on the ISS but just because you have parts it&#8217;s very different to repairing it in space.  It takes them weeks to put those panels on the shuttle, there are several layers at each spot.  They would need to do at least 3 to 4 space walks to repair once section.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold LaValley</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1148</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold LaValley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 20:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All the more reason to make a repair shop module, to store all the spare quarter panels and equipment for doing a real repair, not a patch job of bondo filler and fiber glass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All the more reason to make a repair shop module, to store all the spare quarter panels and equipment for doing a real repair, not a patch job of bondo filler and fiber glass.</p>
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		<title>By: John Malkin</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1147</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Malkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASA isn&#039;t backing away from the recommendations.  They just need to find another technology for fixing in space.  It like doing body work on the expressway, imagine if you had to carry a spare quarter panel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA isn&#8217;t backing away from the recommendations.  They just need to find another technology for fixing in space.  It like doing body work on the expressway, imagine if you had to carry a spare quarter panel.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold LaValley</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold LaValley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 18:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Macco was all in jest but on the issue of Nasa backing away from the CAIB recommendations it sure does seem that way to IMO. At least on the repair and on how many standyby shuttle mission will happen before going back to there old habits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Macco was all in jest but on the issue of Nasa backing away from the CAIB recommendations it sure does seem that way to IMO. At least on the repair and on how many standyby shuttle mission will happen before going back to there old habits.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogsbd</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dogsbd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 16:28:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I sincerely doubt Macco could help, the issue being a bit more technically challenging than you seem to realize.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sincerely doubt Macco could help, the issue being a bit more technically challenging than you seem to realize.</p>
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		<title>By: Harold LaValley</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2004/08/06/hubble-vs-shuttle/#comment-1144</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Harold LaValley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nasa is giving up on another technique of Shuttle RCC panel repair. Seems like Nasa needs to go to Macco for repair options.

http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aerospacedaily_story.jsp?id=news/aba08114.xml

&quot;After encountering &quot;significant technical challenges,&quot; NASA is abandoning attempts to develop a rigid overwrap to patch large holes in the space shuttle&#039;s reinforced carbon-carbon (RCC) panels in the event of damage during flight, and instead is pursuing other methods that probably won&#039;t be ready in time for the shuttle&#039;s return to flight, according to agency officials.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nasa is giving up on another technique of Shuttle RCC panel repair. Seems like Nasa needs to go to Macco for repair options.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aerospacedaily_story.jsp?id=news/aba08114.xml" rel="nofollow">http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_aerospacedaily_story.jsp?id=news/aba08114.xml</a></p>
<p>&#8220;After encountering &#8220;significant technical challenges,&#8221; NASA is abandoning attempts to develop a rigid overwrap to patch large holes in the space shuttle&#8217;s reinforced carbon-carbon (RCC) panels in the event of damage during flight, and instead is pursuing other methods that probably won&#8217;t be ready in time for the shuttle&#8217;s return to flight, according to agency officials.&#8221;</p>
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