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	<title>Comments on: Space transportation policy finally done</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Parkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2005 01:39:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Back when Arthur Kantrowitz was on the Gardner Commission to recommend launch options to President Kennedy, they concluded that on-orbit assembly using existing and cheap smaller launchers would be about a factor of 10 cheaper than building a big launcher.  

Kennedy wanted to build a big launcher anyway and so Johnson classified the final report and kept every copy in his safe.  When they were eventually declassified in the 1990s Kantrowitz says NASAs only reason for then not pursuing that path then was that &quot;it would be embarrasing to us&quot; - Perhaps that&#039;s the only reason they&#039;re pushing heavy launch now.

I want to see numbers before I believe NASAs case, and they have to refute (with numbers) the analysis made by the Gardner Commission.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Back when Arthur Kantrowitz was on the Gardner Commission to recommend launch options to President Kennedy, they concluded that on-orbit assembly using existing and cheap smaller launchers would be about a factor of 10 cheaper than building a big launcher.  </p>
<p>Kennedy wanted to build a big launcher anyway and so Johnson classified the final report and kept every copy in his safe.  When they were eventually declassified in the 1990s Kantrowitz says NASAs only reason for then not pursuing that path then was that &#8220;it would be embarrasing to us&#8221; &#8211; Perhaps that&#8217;s the only reason they&#8217;re pushing heavy launch now.</p>
<p>I want to see numbers before I believe NASAs case, and they have to refute (with numbers) the analysis made by the Gardner Commission.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2005 22:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;NASA does not get to decide whether or not it needs heavy lift for exploration. NASA and the SecDef jointly make recommendations to the President and the President decides.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s not how I read it, Jim (or at least, it&#039;s not the whole story).  What concerns me is that it reads as though it&#039;s a fait accompli that there shall be heavy lift.  The only issue is whether it&#039;s SDV, EELVDV, or clean sheet.  That&#039;s what the SecDef and Administrator have to sort out and recommend to the President.  This is one of the things I have heartbutn with, because I don&#039;t think we need heavy lift, period, and to develop it would be a step backward and a waste of funds that could be spent on something useful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>NASA does not get to decide whether or not it needs heavy lift for exploration. NASA and the SecDef jointly make recommendations to the President and the President decides.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not how I read it, Jim (or at least, it&#8217;s not the whole story).  What concerns me is that it reads as though it&#8217;s a fait accompli that there shall be heavy lift.  The only issue is whether it&#8217;s SDV, EELVDV, or clean sheet.  That&#8217;s what the SecDef and Administrator have to sort out and recommend to the President.  This is one of the things I have heartbutn with, because I don&#8217;t think we need heavy lift, period, and to develop it would be a step backward and a waste of funds that could be spent on something useful.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Parkin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin Parkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 11:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looks to me like the new space policy ends NASA&#039;s custodianship of reusable launcher R&amp;D.  Clinton&#039;s 1994 policy said:

   1. The Department of Defense (DoD) will be the lead agency for improvement and evolution of the current U.S. expendable launch vehicle (ELV) fleet, including appropriate technology development.
   2. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) will provide for the improvement of the Space Shuttle system, focusing on reliability, safety, and cost-effectiveness.
   3. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration will be the lead agency for technology development and demonstration for next generation reusable space transportation systems, such as the single-stage-to-orbit concept.

I don&#039;t see the same language in the new transportation policy.  I note also that the X-37 was transferred to DARPA last summer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks to me like the new space policy ends NASA&#8217;s custodianship of reusable launcher R&#038;D.  Clinton&#8217;s 1994 policy said:</p>
<p>   1. The Department of Defense (DoD) will be the lead agency for improvement and evolution of the current U.S. expendable launch vehicle (ELV) fleet, including appropriate technology development.<br />
   2. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) will provide for the improvement of the Space Shuttle system, focusing on reliability, safety, and cost-effectiveness.<br />
   3. The National Aeronautics and Space Administration will be the lead agency for technology development and demonstration for next generation reusable space transportation systems, such as the single-stage-to-orbit concept.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the same language in the new transportation policy.  I note also that the X-37 was transferred to DARPA last summer.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill White</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill White]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 05:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jim Muncy, is it good or bad to concentrate decision making like that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Muncy, is it good or bad to concentrate decision making like that?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Muncy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jim Muncy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2005 04:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff, 

   Note the context of that &quot;joint heavy lift&quot; issue.  NASA does not get to decide whether or not it needs heavy lift for exploration.  NASA and the SecDef jointly make recommendations to the President and the President decides.  

   Very very interesting.  

             - Jim]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff, </p>
<p>   Note the context of that &#8220;joint heavy lift&#8221; issue.  NASA does not get to decide whether or not it needs heavy lift for exploration.  NASA and the SecDef jointly make recommendations to the President and the President decides.  </p>
<p>   Very very interesting.  </p>
<p>             &#8211; Jim</p>
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