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	<title>Comments on: $20K saved is $20K earned. Or is it?</title>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/05/20k-saved-is-20k-earned-or-is-it/#comment-3513</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 05:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did say that some of it is better than kitsch.  But a lot of it isn&#039;t!  Renoir it ain&#039;t.

But hey, &lt;i&gt;de gustibus non disputandum est&lt;/i&gt;.  I agree with the larger point that many government agencies have their own art.  When Congress stoops to criticize an agency&#039;s artists, it is a sign of deeper trouble.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did say that some of it is better than kitsch.  But a lot of it isn&#8217;t!  Renoir it ain&#8217;t.</p>
<p>But hey, <i>de gustibus non disputandum est</i>.  I agree with the larger point that many government agencies have their own art.  When Congress stoops to criticize an agency&#8217;s artists, it is a sign of deeper trouble.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwayne Day</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dwayne Day]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2005 04:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Foust&#039;s comment reminds me of a story a friend told me about a meeting he was in about ten years ago.  They needed information on the satellite industry and wanted to buy a copy of the Teal Group&#039;s annual forecast.  Cost was $1000.  Not a cheap purchase.  But a group of about a dozen people sat around for nearly an hour debating whether or not to pay the cost, before deciding no.  He said that once you factored in how much it cost to pay all of them, they spent more money discussing it than they would have to simply buy it.

As for the NASA artist program producing &quot;hotel wall kitsch,&quot; you&#039;re quite wrong.  There are at least two books out devoted to this art, and some of it is quite nice.  At the very least, NASA often commissions artwork of planned missions or things that could not otherwise be visualized.  Prior to the launch of Hubble, for instance, the only way people could see what it would look like was via a painting.

And let&#039;s put this in perspective too--many government agencies commission artwork, or even have their own resident artist programs.  The DoD does it, with positions like &quot;combat illustrator.&quot;  NASA is not unique in this regard.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Foust&#8217;s comment reminds me of a story a friend told me about a meeting he was in about ten years ago.  They needed information on the satellite industry and wanted to buy a copy of the Teal Group&#8217;s annual forecast.  Cost was $1000.  Not a cheap purchase.  But a group of about a dozen people sat around for nearly an hour debating whether or not to pay the cost, before deciding no.  He said that once you factored in how much it cost to pay all of them, they spent more money discussing it than they would have to simply buy it.</p>
<p>As for the NASA artist program producing &#8220;hotel wall kitsch,&#8221; you&#8217;re quite wrong.  There are at least two books out devoted to this art, and some of it is quite nice.  At the very least, NASA often commissions artwork of planned missions or things that could not otherwise be visualized.  Prior to the launch of Hubble, for instance, the only way people could see what it would look like was via a painting.</p>
<p>And let&#8217;s put this in perspective too&#8211;many government agencies commission artwork, or even have their own resident artist programs.  The DoD does it, with positions like &#8220;combat illustrator.&#8221;  NASA is not unique in this regard.</p>
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		<title>By: Walter E. Wallis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Walter E. Wallis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 21:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Micromanagement seldom pays. Just call in the director and ask him what the hell he is wasting money for, and then fire him if he doesn&#039;t shape up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Micromanagement seldom pays. Just call in the director and ask him what the hell he is wasting money for, and then fire him if he doesn&#8217;t shape up.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Corey Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Corey Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 17:56:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sam: &quot;How about an economist in residence program? That mights save $10-15 billion to accomplish the same ends or accomplish vast new ones for the same NASA budget.&quot;

I nominate you, Sam. Though would we also get a &quot;A third of a Humorist in residence?&quot; :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam: &#8220;How about an economist in residence program? That mights save $10-15 billion to accomplish the same ends or accomplish vast new ones for the same NASA budget.&#8221;</p>
<p>I nominate you, Sam. Though would we also get a &#8220;A third of a Humorist in residence?&#8221; <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/05/20k-saved-is-20k-earned-or-is-it/#comment-3509</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 16:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Laurie Anderson is a left-wing beatnik who is against George Bush and knows nothing about NASA.  So her token grant from NASA is perfect Rush Limbaugh fodder, which is why it caught the attention of the Heritage Foundation and Republican Representative Chris Chocola.  But let&#039;s look at what Chocola actually said on the House floor:

&lt;blockquote&gt;One of the first things that I did in 2003 after I showed up as a new Member of Congress is I attended a memorial service for the Columbia astronauts. Certainly, spending money by NASA on a performance artist and a artist-in- residence program does nothing to make sure that the shuttle program gets back into space and prevents such tragedies in the future.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As a supporter of the space shuttle, Chocola isn&#039;t really against NASA wasting money; he&#039;s for it.  He is the car salesman who sells you a luxury lemon and botches your loan too, but offers you a double refund when your quarter jams in the dealership vending machine.

For that matter, Chocola isn&#039;t even against the rest of the NASA Arts program, which has commissioned &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hq.nasa.gov/copernica/cadb/indexA.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;hotel wall kitsch&lt;/a&gt; for decades.  If you&#039;re a NASA artist, bad taste is okay; leftist partisanship is the big no-no.  (Okay, some of the NASA paintings rise above the level of kitsch.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laurie Anderson is a left-wing beatnik who is against George Bush and knows nothing about NASA.  So her token grant from NASA is perfect Rush Limbaugh fodder, which is why it caught the attention of the Heritage Foundation and Republican Representative Chris Chocola.  But let&#8217;s look at what Chocola actually said on the House floor:</p>
<blockquote><p>One of the first things that I did in 2003 after I showed up as a new Member of Congress is I attended a memorial service for the Columbia astronauts. Certainly, spending money by NASA on a performance artist and a artist-in- residence program does nothing to make sure that the shuttle program gets back into space and prevents such tragedies in the future.</p></blockquote>
<p>As a supporter of the space shuttle, Chocola isn&#8217;t really against NASA wasting money; he&#8217;s for it.  He is the car salesman who sells you a luxury lemon and botches your loan too, but offers you a double refund when your quarter jams in the dealership vending machine.</p>
<p>For that matter, Chocola isn&#8217;t even against the rest of the NASA Arts program, which has commissioned <a href="http://www.hq.nasa.gov/copernica/cadb/indexA.htm" rel="nofollow">hotel wall kitsch</a> for decades.  If you&#8217;re a NASA artist, bad taste is okay; leftist partisanship is the big no-no.  (Okay, some of the NASA paintings rise above the level of kitsch.)</p>
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		<title>By: Sam Dinkin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam Dinkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2005 14:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about an economist in residence program? That mights save $10-15 billion to accomplish the same ends or accomplish vast new ones for the same NASA budget.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about an economist in residence program? That mights save $10-15 billion to accomplish the same ends or accomplish vast new ones for the same NASA budget.</p>
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