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		<title>By: Jeff Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3688</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Foust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 20:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gentlemen:

Since discussion regarding the topic has run its course, and the remaining participants no longer seem interested in civil discourse, I am closing the comments for this post.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gentlemen:</p>
<p>Since discussion regarding the topic has run its course, and the remaining participants no longer seem interested in civil discourse, I am closing the comments for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;  I posted something on another board to the effect that my 13-year-old son was excited by the prospect
&gt; of the US manned space program doing something other than orbit the Earth. My point being that others
&gt; like my son could be inspired to study fields of science, technology etc. by such a program

No, that is not what you posted. If you had said that, I would have found nothing to diagree with. 

You posted that you told your son the NASA program would allow *him* to go into space. Given the number of NASA astronauts who will fly in that program, your statement is almost certainly false, and I&#039;m sure you know that.

Now, you&#039;re changing your story and accusing me of lying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>  I posted something on another board to the effect that my 13-year-old son was excited by the prospect<br />
> of the US manned space program doing something other than orbit the Earth. My point being that others<br />
> like my son could be inspired to study fields of science, technology etc. by such a program</p>
<p>No, that is not what you posted. If you had said that, I would have found nothing to diagree with. </p>
<p>You posted that you told your son the NASA program would allow *him* to go into space. Given the number of NASA astronauts who will fly in that program, your statement is almost certainly false, and I&#8217;m sure you know that.</p>
<p>Now, you&#8217;re changing your story and accusing me of lying.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3686</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 19:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me apologize to everyone (everyone except for Mr. Wright) for my outburst above.

Several months ago I posted something on another board to the effect that my 13-year-old son was excited by the prospect of the US manned space program doing something other than orbit the Earth. My point being that others like my son could be inspired to study fields of science, technology etc. by such a program, I&#039;m certainly not the first to point out this &quot;spin-off&quot; of an exciting space program. 

Since then Mr. Wright has on several occasions made remarks about my son, going so far as to say that I have lied to my son. 

Such behavior is beyond the pale of civil discourse, yet it is typical and all too common for Edward Wright.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me apologize to everyone (everyone except for Mr. Wright) for my outburst above.</p>
<p>Several months ago I posted something on another board to the effect that my 13-year-old son was excited by the prospect of the US manned space program doing something other than orbit the Earth. My point being that others like my son could be inspired to study fields of science, technology etc. by such a program, I&#8217;m certainly not the first to point out this &#8220;spin-off&#8221; of an exciting space program. </p>
<p>Since then Mr. Wright has on several occasions made remarks about my son, going so far as to say that I have lied to my son. </p>
<p>Such behavior is beyond the pale of civil discourse, yet it is typical and all too common for Edward Wright.</p>
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		<title>By: mrearl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mrearl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 16:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ok Mister Ed:
&quot;You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitimate, all because I believe in American free enterprise rather than blindly &quot;supporting the President&#039;s vision.&quot;&quot;
  Posted by Edward Wright at July 15, 2005 08:50 PM
No one called you &quot;unpatriotic&quot;; stupid, yes but not unpatriotic!  Your sentence should start: &quot;You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitimate, all because I blindly believe in American free enterprise...&quot;.
Also I believe that you were called the son of a female dog not illegitimate.  
If you know anything in about free enterprise you know that what drives that is profit.  Right now there is no way to profit from space besides the satellite and launch business. I agree that NASA can allow private re-supply of the space station and I think they are quickly heading in that direction.   
Also, the shuttle has some major flaws like expensive to launch and maintain, temperamental and not as robust as some launch vehicles and I agree that it is time for a new manned vehicle, but there is still no launch vehicle that has the capabilities that the shuttle has.  It can carry 7 passengers, over 25 tons of equipment and perform as an excellent construction platform all at the same time.  I think we over reached for the funds we had to work with.  
OK everyone, have at it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok Mister Ed:<br />
&#8220;You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitimate, all because I believe in American free enterprise rather than blindly &#8220;supporting the President&#8217;s vision.&#8221;&#8221;<br />
  Posted by Edward Wright at July 15, 2005 08:50 PM<br />
No one called you &#8220;unpatriotic&#8221;; stupid, yes but not unpatriotic!  Your sentence should start: &#8220;You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitimate, all because I blindly believe in American free enterprise&#8230;&#8221;.<br />
Also I believe that you were called the son of a female dog not illegitimate.<br />
If you know anything in about free enterprise you know that what drives that is profit.  Right now there is no way to profit from space besides the satellite and launch business. I agree that NASA can allow private re-supply of the space station and I think they are quickly heading in that direction.<br />
Also, the shuttle has some major flaws like expensive to launch and maintain, temperamental and not as robust as some launch vehicles and I agree that it is time for a new manned vehicle, but there is still no launch vehicle that has the capabilities that the shuttle has.  It can carry 7 passengers, over 25 tons of equipment and perform as an excellent construction platform all at the same time.  I think we over reached for the funds we had to work with.<br />
OK everyone, have at it!</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2005 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Mr. Wright what I do or do not tell my child is none of your concern you stupid SOB.

Then why did you post it on a public BBS?

You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitmate, all because I believe in American free enterprise rather than blindly &quot;supporting the President&#039;s vision.&quot;

That&#039;s pretty ironic, since I voted for George W. Bush twice, while the NASA employees&#039; union endorsed John F. Kerry. Keith Cowing, the public spokesman for NASA&#039;s VSE, also campaigned for Kerry. So, your attempts to make this a partisan issue are way, way, WAY off base.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Mr. Wright what I do or do not tell my child is none of your concern you stupid SOB.</p>
<p>Then why did you post it on a public BBS?</p>
<p>You have called me stupid, unpatriotic, and illegitmate, all because I believe in American free enterprise rather than blindly &#8220;supporting the President&#8217;s vision.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s pretty ironic, since I voted for George W. Bush twice, while the NASA employees&#8217; union endorsed John F. Kerry. Keith Cowing, the public spokesman for NASA&#8217;s VSE, also campaigned for Kerry. So, your attempts to make this a partisan issue are way, way, WAY off base.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew Corey Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3683</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Corey Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 20:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Neither the private nor the public sector can do it alone in a timely manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither the private nor the public sector can do it alone in a timely manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3682</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 18:37:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Wright what I do or do not tell my child is none of your concern you stupid SOB.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Wright what I do or do not tell my child is none of your concern you stupid SOB.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 05:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Sure Ed, you let us know when Rutan gets to Mars, or even the Moon, or how about just to orbit. You live in a dream world.

You told your son NASA would get him to go into space -- and you say I&#039;m living in a dream world?

I&#039;m sorry if you think no one but the government can do anything. I wonder what happened to make you so cynical about America?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Sure Ed, you let us know when Rutan gets to Mars, or even the Moon, or how about just to orbit. You live in a dream world.</p>
<p>You told your son NASA would get him to go into space &#8212; and you say I&#8217;m living in a dream world?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if you think no one but the government can do anything. I wonder what happened to make you so cynical about America?</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Goff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Goff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 04:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cecil,

Rutan probably won&#039;t beat NASA back to orbit (even they aren&#039;t that incompetent), but I really wouldn&#039;t be surprised if a private entity is the next to visit the Moon or the first to visit Mars.  NASA&#039;s several years out on that, and there&#039;s still a good chance that something along the way could derail them.  When was the last time NASA went to the Moon?

More importantly, if private entities don&#039;t start going to the Moon or Mars, this whole VSE will be a bloody waste.  If the entire point of all that NASA is doing is just to get a couple of their nerds back to the moon, they don&#039;t deserve the money we give them.  The only point in giving NASA money is if they&#039;re actually doing something to open up space for the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecil,</p>
<p>Rutan probably won&#8217;t beat NASA back to orbit (even they aren&#8217;t that incompetent), but I really wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if a private entity is the next to visit the Moon or the first to visit Mars.  NASA&#8217;s several years out on that, and there&#8217;s still a good chance that something along the way could derail them.  When was the last time NASA went to the Moon?</p>
<p>More importantly, if private entities don&#8217;t start going to the Moon or Mars, this whole VSE will be a bloody waste.  If the entire point of all that NASA is doing is just to get a couple of their nerds back to the moon, they don&#8217;t deserve the money we give them.  The only point in giving NASA money is if they&#8217;re actually doing something to open up space for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/14/shuttle-the-vision-and-the-white-house/#comment-3679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:56:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sure Ed, you let us know when Rutan gets to Mars, or even the Moon, or how about just to orbit. You live in a dream world.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure Ed, you let us know when Rutan gets to Mars, or even the Moon, or how about just to orbit. You live in a dream world.</p>
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