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		<title>By: TORO</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TORO]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 01:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We had the chance for a national debate between the two presidential candidates in the 2004 elections.  

I think the only bi-partisan point that is not debated and agreed upon is that politicians in general fear the pre-Columbia space station overrun and Apollo era spending spike NASA.  I think they fear that &quot;not-right-stuff-dollars culture&quot; may be hard to change.

Thus perhaps the NASA VSE should be simple: NASA learning to live to a fixed budget, year after year after year ... What would JFK say to the challenge of NASA living to a budget? Perhaps &quot;We do not do these things because they are easy, but becasue they are haard, very haard.&quot;   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We had the chance for a national debate between the two presidential candidates in the 2004 elections.  </p>
<p>I think the only bi-partisan point that is not debated and agreed upon is that politicians in general fear the pre-Columbia space station overrun and Apollo era spending spike NASA.  I think they fear that &#8220;not-right-stuff-dollars culture&#8221; may be hard to change.</p>
<p>Thus perhaps the NASA VSE should be simple: NASA learning to live to a fixed budget, year after year after year &#8230; What would JFK say to the challenge of NASA living to a budget? Perhaps &#8220;We do not do these things because they are easy, but becasue they are haard, very haard.&#8221;   </p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2005 00:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kuperberg: &quot;So then it&#039;s a good thing that Steidle was hired and then fired? I guess NASA was just considering alternatives.&quot;

LOL. Another &quot;man of straw&quot;.

Steidle was hired by O&#039;Keefe and Griffin decided he wanted soemthing else. I&#039;m sure you think Griffin invented the idea of a new manager bringing in people he wants, but I assure you he did not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuperberg: &#8220;So then it&#8217;s a good thing that Steidle was hired and then fired? I guess NASA was just considering alternatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL. Another &#8220;man of straw&#8221;.</p>
<p>Steidle was hired by O&#8217;Keefe and Griffin decided he wanted soemthing else. I&#8217;m sure you think Griffin invented the idea of a new manager bringing in people he wants, but I assure you he did not.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So then it&#039;s a good thing that Steidle was hired and then fired?  I guess NASA was just considering alternatives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then it&#8217;s a good thing that Steidle was hired and then fired?  I guess NASA was just considering alternatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R. Whittington</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark R. Whittington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 21:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barney Frank wants there to be a debate that will go on forever. The problem is that people have been talking about interplanetary exploration and space settlements since long before I was born. It is past time that words become deeds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barney Frank wants there to be a debate that will go on forever. The problem is that people have been talking about interplanetary exploration and space settlements since long before I was born. It is past time that words become deeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald: &quot;I believe that Greg was talking about the method for getting there, and in that I expect he is correct.&quot;

But then the method of getting there was never cast in stone during O&#039;Keefe (nor should it have been) so of course at such an early stage the method should still be in flux. Otherwise the detractors would say they&#039;ve already decided the method prior to considering all methods available.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald: &#8220;I believe that Greg was talking about the method for getting there, and in that I expect he is correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>But then the method of getting there was never cast in stone during O&#8217;Keefe (nor should it have been) so of course at such an early stage the method should still be in flux. Otherwise the detractors would say they&#8217;ve already decided the method prior to considering all methods available.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, yes, the idea of human beings going forth and multiplying across the Solar System is and should be a &quot;heavenly vision.&quot;  I don&#039;t see anything wrong with &quot;Moon, Mars, and Beyond&quot; as an inspirational goal.  That is, after all, how many of us got into this business in the first place.  

As usual, the devil is in the details, and that, of course, is what we&#039;re all arguing about!

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, yes, the idea of human beings going forth and multiplying across the Solar System is and should be a &#8220;heavenly vision.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t see anything wrong with &#8220;Moon, Mars, and Beyond&#8221; as an inspirational goal.  That is, after all, how many of us got into this business in the first place.  </p>
<p>As usual, the devil is in the details, and that, of course, is what we&#8217;re all arguing about!</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3843</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, the VISION will never change.  It&#039;s like Constantine&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/r/raphael/4stanze/4constan/3vision.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vision of the Cross&lt;/a&gt;.  Who can quarrel with a heavenly vision?

(Little did Constantine realize that his cross in the sky actually represented &lt;a href=&quot;http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/msm_images/best2001/1999-06-03sts096-715-042.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the space station&lt;/a&gt;.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, the VISION will never change.  It&#8217;s like Constantine&#8217;s <a href="http://gallery.euroweb.hu/art/r/raphael/4stanze/4constan/3vision.jpg" rel="nofollow">Vision of the Cross</a>.  Who can quarrel with a heavenly vision?</p>
<p>(Little did Constantine realize that his cross in the sky actually represented <a href="http://esamultimedia.esa.int/images/msm_images/best2001/1999-06-03sts096-715-042.jpg" rel="nofollow">the space station</a>.)</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3842</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Okay, Cecil, correction accepted.  However, I believe that Greg was talking about the method for getting there, and in that I expect he is correct.

We&#039;ve been here before.  The Space Station as a goal has stayed relatively constant, but the purpose and method for getting there were &quot;upended&quot; on a regular bases.  While I support many of the changes I see, Mike Griffin is in the process of doing that right now.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Cecil, correction accepted.  However, I believe that Greg was talking about the method for getting there, and in that I expect he is correct.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve been here before.  The Space Station as a goal has stayed relatively constant, but the purpose and method for getting there were &#8220;upended&#8221; on a regular bases.  While I support many of the changes I see, Mike Griffin is in the process of doing that right now.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg: &quot;And you can expect the VSE to be upended again before the story ends.&quot;

Donal: &quot;I expect that no greater truth has ever been written!&quot;

Oh Please.

VSE upended?? Lets see the VSE was orginally about returning to the Moon, planning to go to Mars and other missions beyond that. So how has the basic scope, idea, or dare I say VISION of the VSE been &quot;upended&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: &#8220;And you can expect the VSE to be upended again before the story ends.&#8221;</p>
<p>Donal: &#8220;I expect that no greater truth has ever been written!&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh Please.</p>
<p>VSE upended?? Lets see the VSE was orginally about returning to the Moon, planning to go to Mars and other missions beyond that. So how has the basic scope, idea, or dare I say VISION of the VSE been &#8220;upended&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Puckett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/07/28/a-national-debate/#comment-3840</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puckett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2005 19:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or as Neal Boortz calls it, the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or as Neal Boortz calls it, the Atlanta Urinal-Constipation.</p>
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