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		<title>By: Nick B.</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/08/03/more-bush-and-space/#comment-3972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 16:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wasn&#039;t so much agreeing with the reason as trying to explain the justification used by those making the decisions.  I&#039;m not terribly crazy about it either.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t so much agreeing with the reason as trying to explain the justification used by those making the decisions.  I&#8217;m not terribly crazy about it either.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dietz</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/08/03/more-bush-and-space/#comment-3971</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul Dietz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 03:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; we have to throw the foreign politicians and diplomats a bone

Why?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> we have to throw the foreign politicians and diplomats a bone</p>
<p>Why?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick B.</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/08/03/more-bush-and-space/#comment-3970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick B.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The way I see the ISS&#039;s role in the VSE is that, before we can move on with the new stuff, we have to throw the foreign politicians and diplomats a bone and give some sort of closure to the ISS as far as shuttle service is concerned.  That&#039;s the impression I&#039;ve gotten from reading Bush&#039;s and Griffin&#039;s remarks.  So, it&#039;s not so much an integral part of the VSE in an engineering sense as in a political one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way I see the ISS&#8217;s role in the VSE is that, before we can move on with the new stuff, we have to throw the foreign politicians and diplomats a bone and give some sort of closure to the ISS as far as shuttle service is concerned.  That&#8217;s the impression I&#8217;ve gotten from reading Bush&#8217;s and Griffin&#8217;s remarks.  So, it&#8217;s not so much an integral part of the VSE in an engineering sense as in a political one.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2005 00:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree that it is political sophistry to declare the completion of the ISS as the initial component of the VSE.  But it is not my sophistry.  As Bush said in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040114-3.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VSE speech&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. We will begin the effort quickly, using existing programs and personnel. We&#039;ll make steady progress -- one mission, one voyage, one landing at a time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Our first goal is to complete the International Space Station by 2010.&lt;/blockquote&gt;The declaration comes directly from Bush.

I also agree that the ISS is an arbitrary obligation, and so is its completion.  And I agree that it is a mistake to lard real exploration with this dying albatross.  But again, it&#039;s not my mistake, it&#039;s in the VSE.

But to give Bush some major credit, he and Griffin do seem resolved to cut the albatross loose in 2010.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it is political sophistry to declare the completion of the ISS as the initial component of the VSE.  But it is not my sophistry.  As Bush said in the <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040114-3.html" rel="nofollow">VSE speech</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Today I announce a new plan to explore space and extend a human presence across our solar system. We will begin the effort quickly, using existing programs and personnel. We&#8217;ll make steady progress &#8212; one mission, one voyage, one landing at a time.</p>
<p>Our first goal is to complete the International Space Station by 2010.</p></blockquote>
<p>The declaration comes directly from Bush.</p>
<p>I also agree that the ISS is an arbitrary obligation, and so is its completion.  And I agree that it is a mistake to lard real exploration with this dying albatross.  But again, it&#8217;s not my mistake, it&#8217;s in the VSE.</p>
<p>But to give Bush some major credit, he and Griffin do seem resolved to cut the albatross loose in 2010.</p>
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		<title>By: billg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/08/03/more-bush-and-space/#comment-3968</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;&lt;i&gt;No one at the White House can claim to be blind-sided by further deterioration of the space shuttle program. &lt;/i&gt;

As usual, your choice of words (&quot;...deterioration...&quot;) makes unwarranted assumptions and deliberately casts your argument in an equally unwarranted favoring light.

You seem to believe that the success of an effort like ISS should be measured by the degree to which all participants meet all of their original objectives. That&#039;s nonsense. Huge projects with timelines measured in decades are bound to have shifting objectives. Stuff happens and people adjust. There&#039;s no moral or ethical component here (altough your condemnation of NASA and Bush implicitly rest on such on assumption).  The ISS is a political creation and a political creature.  It will be &quot;completed&quot; when the politicians responsible for it say it is completed. The U.S., in particular, should not hamstring the real exploration and exploitation of space simply to fulfill an imaginary obligation.

Finally, when you describe the completion of ISS as the initial component of VSE, your engaging in sophistry. ISS plays no real role in the enabling of the VSE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>>><i>No one at the White House can claim to be blind-sided by further deterioration of the space shuttle program. </i></p>
<p>As usual, your choice of words (&#8220;&#8230;deterioration&#8230;&#8221;) makes unwarranted assumptions and deliberately casts your argument in an equally unwarranted favoring light.</p>
<p>You seem to believe that the success of an effort like ISS should be measured by the degree to which all participants meet all of their original objectives. That&#8217;s nonsense. Huge projects with timelines measured in decades are bound to have shifting objectives. Stuff happens and people adjust. There&#8217;s no moral or ethical component here (altough your condemnation of NASA and Bush implicitly rest on such on assumption).  The ISS is a political creation and a political creature.  It will be &#8220;completed&#8221; when the politicians responsible for it say it is completed. The U.S., in particular, should not hamstring the real exploration and exploitation of space simply to fulfill an imaginary obligation.</p>
<p>Finally, when you describe the completion of ISS as the initial component of VSE, your engaging in sophistry. ISS plays no real role in the enabling of the VSE.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phil Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 20:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I was not impressed with the president&#039;s comments with the Discovery crew. But then, I&#039;ve never been impressed with president Bush&#039;s comments. The crew deserves better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I was not impressed with the president&#8217;s comments with the Discovery crew. But then, I&#8217;ve never been impressed with president Bush&#8217;s comments. The crew deserves better.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 19:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald:  No one at the White House can claim to be blind-sided by further deterioration of the space shuttle program.  There were plenty of warnings that it could happen in both the past and the present.  But the White House ignored all of that; they expressed faith in NASA, and faith in the year 2010.  Faith-based government.

As international cooperation goes, the space station is the ultimate dysfunctional marriage in which divorce would be a humiliating admission of failure.  At a personal level, it happens all the time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald:  No one at the White House can claim to be blind-sided by further deterioration of the space shuttle program.  There were plenty of warnings that it could happen in both the past and the present.  But the White House ignored all of that; they expressed faith in NASA, and faith in the year 2010.  Faith-based government.</p>
<p>As international cooperation goes, the space station is the ultimate dysfunctional marriage in which divorce would be a humiliating admission of failure.  At a personal level, it happens all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/08/03/more-bush-and-space/#comment-3965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg: &quot;We can start with the first goal of the VSE, the wrap-up of the space station. Bush said, &quot;We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project.&quot; That promise is already falling apart. They won&#039;t finish what they started, and they won&#039;t meet their obligations to international partners.&quot;

As you know, I am no friend of the Bush Administration, but your statement here is wildly unfair.  At the time it was made, completing the Space Station seemed an achievable goal.  It may still be, albeit with major modification.  It was also the responsible thing to do.  As an all-too-rare example of truly cooperating on an international problem, this decision should be praised, not criticized.  

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg: &#8220;We can start with the first goal of the VSE, the wrap-up of the space station. Bush said, &#8220;We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project.&#8221; That promise is already falling apart. They won&#8217;t finish what they started, and they won&#8217;t meet their obligations to international partners.&#8221;</p>
<p>As you know, I am no friend of the Bush Administration, but your statement here is wildly unfair.  At the time it was made, completing the Space Station seemed an achievable goal.  It may still be, albeit with major modification.  It was also the responsible thing to do.  As an all-too-rare example of truly cooperating on an international problem, this decision should be praised, not criticized.  </p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kuperberg: &quot;That promise is already falling apart.&quot;

How so? There are a lot of smart people working on how ISS can be completed in a number of different ways. It may yet fall apart, but you&#039;ve got your &quot;Bush failed/lied&quot; cheering section started a bit soon on that count. 

But at any rate, you stated that the VSE speech was full of &quot;unrealistic statements&quot; as written. In the case of ISS completion for that to be true the speechwriter and speech giver would have to have known at the time of the speech that completing ISS was impossible. No one knew that to be true then, we don’t even know that to be true now.

Now if changing circumstances (foam CAN&quot;T be fixed etc.) makes it impossible to complete the ISS, that still does not mean the speech was written purposefully with things in it that could not come to be. It only means that unforeseen circumstances prevented that from being done.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kuperberg: &#8220;That promise is already falling apart.&#8221;</p>
<p>How so? There are a lot of smart people working on how ISS can be completed in a number of different ways. It may yet fall apart, but you&#8217;ve got your &#8220;Bush failed/lied&#8221; cheering section started a bit soon on that count. </p>
<p>But at any rate, you stated that the VSE speech was full of &#8220;unrealistic statements&#8221; as written. In the case of ISS completion for that to be true the speechwriter and speech giver would have to have known at the time of the speech that completing ISS was impossible. No one knew that to be true then, we don’t even know that to be true now.</p>
<p>Now if changing circumstances (foam CAN&#8221;T be fixed etc.) makes it impossible to complete the ISS, that still does not mean the speech was written purposefully with things in it that could not come to be. It only means that unforeseen circumstances prevented that from being done.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg Kuperberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2005 17:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cecil:  We can start with the first goal of the VSE, the wrap-up of the space station.  Bush said, &quot;We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project.&quot;  That promise is already falling apart.  They won&#039;t finish what they started, and they won&#039;t meet their obligations to international partners.  I think that it&#039;s just as well that it won&#039;t happen, but in any case what Bush said just isn&#039;t true.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cecil:  We can start with the first goal of the VSE, the wrap-up of the space station.  Bush said, &#8220;We will finish what we have started, we will meet our obligations to our 15 international partners on this project.&#8221;  That promise is already falling apart.  They won&#8217;t finish what they started, and they won&#8217;t meet their obligations to international partners.  I think that it&#8217;s just as well that it won&#8217;t happen, but in any case what Bush said just isn&#8217;t true.</p>
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