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	<title>Comments on: Lembeck on CEV, OSP, and VSE</title>
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		<title>By: TORO</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/11/12/lembeck-on-cev-osp-and-vse/#comment-6135</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OSP was definitely lost - the proof is it is gone. Now doesn&#039;t that make you wonder what kind of eyewear NASA&#039;s top brass were wearing - obviously they had a lack of far vision.

As for the name - I always thought &quot;Contingency Project&quot; would be appropriate - just trying to get the crew to and from LEO alive with contingency plans for rocket failures will be a giant leap for NASAkind. 

How about &quot;GATOS&quot; - Get Astronauts To Orbit Safely ...

Or &quot;CARAIFOUND&quot; - China and Russia are in front of us now dear.

Or NCNFNPIAGNC ... no cargo, no food, no pets ... I ain&#039;t got no cigarettes ...otherwise known as KOTR, king of the rocket road.   
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OSP was definitely lost &#8211; the proof is it is gone. Now doesn&#8217;t that make you wonder what kind of eyewear NASA&#8217;s top brass were wearing &#8211; obviously they had a lack of far vision.</p>
<p>As for the name &#8211; I always thought &#8220;Contingency Project&#8221; would be appropriate &#8211; just trying to get the crew to and from LEO alive with contingency plans for rocket failures will be a giant leap for NASAkind. </p>
<p>How about &#8220;GATOS&#8221; &#8211; Get Astronauts To Orbit Safely &#8230;</p>
<p>Or &#8220;CARAIFOUND&#8221; &#8211; China and Russia are in front of us now dear.</p>
<p>Or NCNFNPIAGNC &#8230; no cargo, no food, no pets &#8230; I ain&#8217;t got no cigarettes &#8230;otherwise known as KOTR, king of the rocket road.   </p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Trotter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/11/12/lembeck-on-cev-osp-and-vse/#comment-6134</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cecil Trotter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 03:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Davenport, what is that first comment up there? Creative license or just lying?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Davenport, what is that first comment up there? Creative license or just lying?</p>
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		<title>By: David Davenport</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/11/12/lembeck-on-cev-osp-and-vse/#comment-6133</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davenport]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Lembeck also took credit for the creation of the name &quot;Crew Exploration Vehicle&quot; itself, saying it same out of a November 2003 meeting as an alternative to a hodgepodge of terms and acronyms being used for that planned manned spacecraft.&lt;/i&gt;

Lembeck is tap dancing around the real reason for adopting the &quot;CEV&quot; nomenclature, which is that &quot;vehicle&quot; implies something that may not have wings -- a capsule. If he wanted keep his labeling unbiased, why not simply refer to the new spacecraft porkject, excuse me, project, as the NMS -- the New or Next Manned Spacecraft?

&quot;CEV&quot; does have the advantage of being vague about where the exploration will go, unlike &quot;Orbital Space Plane,&quot; which obviously meant Earth orbit. &quot;CEV&quot; is misleading in that most CEV missions will be up and down from the space station. No big exploration there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Lembeck also took credit for the creation of the name &#8220;Crew Exploration Vehicle&#8221; itself, saying it same out of a November 2003 meeting as an alternative to a hodgepodge of terms and acronyms being used for that planned manned spacecraft.</i></p>
<p>Lembeck is tap dancing around the real reason for adopting the &#8220;CEV&#8221; nomenclature, which is that &#8220;vehicle&#8221; implies something that may not have wings &#8212; a capsule. If he wanted keep his labeling unbiased, why not simply refer to the new spacecraft porkject, excuse me, project, as the NMS &#8212; the New or Next Manned Spacecraft?</p>
<p>&#8220;CEV&#8221; does have the advantage of being vague about where the exploration will go, unlike &#8220;Orbital Space Plane,&#8221; which obviously meant Earth orbit. &#8220;CEV&#8221; is misleading in that most CEV missions will be up and down from the space station. No big exploration there.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davenport</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davenport]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Crew Exploration Vehicle -- especially the business about making the capsule so big that Earth orbit rendezvous of a Saturn V-class missile and a medium heavy missile would be required to accomplish each lunar mission -- really didn&#039;t make sense. Again it was another program that NASA was trying to do that you couldn&#039;t build a good business case for. It was my job to go forward and try to put that business case together, and I couldn&#039;t. Myself, a couple of folks from the Chief Engineer&#039;s office, and a number of astronauts, got together and we laid this out, and we basically showed Dr. Griffin that this was a bum program, and we needed to do something different.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Crew Exploration Vehicle &#8212; especially the business about making the capsule so big that Earth orbit rendezvous of a Saturn V-class missile and a medium heavy missile would be required to accomplish each lunar mission &#8212; really didn&#8217;t make sense. Again it was another program that NASA was trying to do that you couldn&#8217;t build a good business case for. It was my job to go forward and try to put that business case together, and I couldn&#8217;t. Myself, a couple of folks from the Chief Engineer&#8217;s office, and a number of astronauts, got together and we laid this out, and we basically showed Dr. Griffin that this was a bum program, and we needed to do something different.</i></p>
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