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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6425</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, although I frequently disagree with him, this liberal is something of a McCain fan.  I like his willingness to stand up to anyone and everyone for a principle _he_ agrees with, rather than any party line, and, as far as I can tell, he seems to be one of the few truly honest politicians out there.  

Anybody got any ideas about what he really thinks about spaceflight?

-- Donald

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, although I frequently disagree with him, this liberal is something of a McCain fan.  I like his willingness to stand up to anyone and everyone for a principle _he_ agrees with, rather than any party line, and, as far as I can tell, he seems to be one of the few truly honest politicians out there.  </p>
<p>Anybody got any ideas about what he really thinks about spaceflight?</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Puckett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6424</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puckett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well Subber, the odds you are going to get one of the two is considerably greater than 50% so I think it is quite beyond the level of fantasy.  I am no big McCain fan but I feel it is proabale that he will be the next Presient barring a major health problem.

It&#039;s funny, but my &#039;fantasy&#039; predictions have held true in every election since 1980 when I made my first one.  Mabey I will get this one wrong.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Subber, the odds you are going to get one of the two is considerably greater than 50% so I think it is quite beyond the level of fantasy.  I am no big McCain fan but I feel it is proabale that he will be the next Presient barring a major health problem.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny, but my &#8216;fantasy&#8217; predictions have held true in every election since 1980 when I made my first one.  Mabey I will get this one wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6423</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 22:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So much for a united front advocating human expansion into the Solar System. . . .  It&#039;s enough to make one cry.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for a united front advocating human expansion into the Solar System. . . .  It&#8217;s enough to make one cry.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: shubber Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shubber Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Well, if you are assuming President Hillary, you are far beyond the outer bounds of fantasyland and well on the trail of Timothy Leary.&quot;

And what ever made you think I presumed that witch could be elected president?  Don&#039;t try to make your fantasy justifiable by pinning an equally ludicrous one on me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Well, if you are assuming President Hillary, you are far beyond the outer bounds of fantasyland and well on the trail of Timothy Leary.&#8221;</p>
<p>And what ever made you think I presumed that witch could be elected president?  Don&#8217;t try to make your fantasy justifiable by pinning an equally ludicrous one on me.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Puckett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6421</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puckett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 16:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, if you are assuming President Hillary, you are far beyond the outer bounds of fantasyland and well on the trail of Timothy Leary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you are assuming President Hillary, you are far beyond the outer bounds of fantasyland and well on the trail of Timothy Leary.</p>
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		<title>By: Shubber Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shubber Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 06:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;There is no reason to believe future President McCain will be less so.&quot;

i suppose not. but since i don&#039;t live in fantasyland, i don&#039;t have to consider that option.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is no reason to believe future President McCain will be less so.&#8221;</p>
<p>i suppose not. but since i don&#8217;t live in fantasyland, i don&#8217;t have to consider that option.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Puckett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike Puckett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 16:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Senator McCain has been supportive of VSE.  There is no reason to believe future President McCain will be less so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Senator McCain has been supportive of VSE.  There is no reason to believe future President McCain will be less so.</p>
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		<title>By: Shubber Ali</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6418</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shubber Ali]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2005 00:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Many frontiers have been colonized by religious movements, not least some of our own. People motivated by religion are often willing to endure great hardship for no apparent material gain. Using the broadest definition of &quot;religion&quot; (according to my desk OED &quot;a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion&quot;), how do we make our movement into the Solar System into the type of &quot;religious&quot; movement that does not need a reason beyond our belief in it, and can movivate people for centuries?&quot;

Well, first you&#039;d have to enable people to actually get to that new &quot;frontier&quot; - which, right now, is about as accessible as the American West was to 2nd century Christians living in Jerusalem.  That is, it is not.

The VSE is just another feeble attempt at trying to keep the industrial base funded, NASA centers operational, and various special interests happy.  The average American doesn&#039;t give a hoot, and over the next decade will have many more pressing interests/issues at home to deal with - mundane little things like feeding their families, dealing with retirement, the perpetual war on (insert noun here), etc.

After 2008, when a new President is installed in the White House, VSE will drop off the agenda and we&#039;ll move on to yet another &quot;vision&quot; that won&#039;t lead anywhere.

JMHO, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many frontiers have been colonized by religious movements, not least some of our own. People motivated by religion are often willing to endure great hardship for no apparent material gain. Using the broadest definition of &#8220;religion&#8221; (according to my desk OED &#8220;a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion&#8221;), how do we make our movement into the Solar System into the type of &#8220;religious&#8221; movement that does not need a reason beyond our belief in it, and can movivate people for centuries?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, first you&#8217;d have to enable people to actually get to that new &#8220;frontier&#8221; &#8211; which, right now, is about as accessible as the American West was to 2nd century Christians living in Jerusalem.  That is, it is not.</p>
<p>The VSE is just another feeble attempt at trying to keep the industrial base funded, NASA centers operational, and various special interests happy.  The average American doesn&#8217;t give a hoot, and over the next decade will have many more pressing interests/issues at home to deal with &#8211; mundane little things like feeding their families, dealing with retirement, the perpetual war on (insert noun here), etc.</p>
<p>After 2008, when a new President is installed in the White House, VSE will drop off the agenda and we&#8217;ll move on to yet another &#8220;vision&#8221; that won&#8217;t lead anywhere.</p>
<p>JMHO, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2005/12/19/making-the-case-for-space-funding/#comment-6417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 18:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it instructive that nobody has responded to &quot;making the case for space funding&quot; while the arguably academic &quot;prehistory of the VSE&quot; has generated considerable heat.  I think that summarizes much of what is wrong with our &quot;movement.&quot;

Aerospace companies advertise the VSE in AvWeek and Space News, we write for each other in a number of space publications including Jeff&#039;s, and (although I write the occasional Op Ed piece for a newspaper and I often write for popular astronomy publications) I too am guilty of preaching to the already converted.  The Religious Right, much as I personally despise their goals, have shown us how to make a single issue that is not necessarily subscribed to by the nation at large into a political force to be reconed with.  That is, organize around a small set of consistent messages and keep voicing them to the wider public for thirty years, with a minimum of self-destructive civil warfare.  We&#039;ve been voicing our message for longer than that, but only to each other.  

I once conducted an interview with John Pike, who I often disagree with, but he made a key point that I think is valid to this date:  &quot;He said, &#039;You have this very small minority of people who have had this personal &quot;revelation&quot; that [human] spaceflight is important and means something. They have to trick the other ninety-five percent of taxpayers into paying for their own private, religious obsession.&#039; Does Mr. Pike share this &#039;religion&#039;? He laughed, and said, &quot;Yes! My first conscious memory was when I was four years old and went out into the back yard and saw Sputnik-1.&#039;&quot;  The lesson here is that Mr. Pike and I do not have to agree about very much, even regarding spaceflight, to share a common &quot;religion&quot; and overarching goal.

Many frontiers have been colonized by religious movements, not least some of our own.  People motivated by religion are often willing to endure great hardship for no apparent material gain.  Using the broadest definition of &quot;religion&quot; (according to my desk OED &quot;a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion&quot;), how do we make our movement into the Solar System into the type of &quot;religious&quot; movement that does not need a reason beyond our belief in it, and can movivate people for centuries?

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it instructive that nobody has responded to &#8220;making the case for space funding&#8221; while the arguably academic &#8220;prehistory of the VSE&#8221; has generated considerable heat.  I think that summarizes much of what is wrong with our &#8220;movement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Aerospace companies advertise the VSE in AvWeek and Space News, we write for each other in a number of space publications including Jeff&#8217;s, and (although I write the occasional Op Ed piece for a newspaper and I often write for popular astronomy publications) I too am guilty of preaching to the already converted.  The Religious Right, much as I personally despise their goals, have shown us how to make a single issue that is not necessarily subscribed to by the nation at large into a political force to be reconed with.  That is, organize around a small set of consistent messages and keep voicing them to the wider public for thirty years, with a minimum of self-destructive civil warfare.  We&#8217;ve been voicing our message for longer than that, but only to each other.  </p>
<p>I once conducted an interview with John Pike, who I often disagree with, but he made a key point that I think is valid to this date:  &#8220;He said, &#8216;You have this very small minority of people who have had this personal &#8220;revelation&#8221; that [human] spaceflight is important and means something. They have to trick the other ninety-five percent of taxpayers into paying for their own private, religious obsession.&#8217; Does Mr. Pike share this &#8216;religion&#8217;? He laughed, and said, &#8220;Yes! My first conscious memory was when I was four years old and went out into the back yard and saw Sputnik-1.'&#8221;  The lesson here is that Mr. Pike and I do not have to agree about very much, even regarding spaceflight, to share a common &#8220;religion&#8221; and overarching goal.</p>
<p>Many frontiers have been colonized by religious movements, not least some of our own.  People motivated by religion are often willing to endure great hardship for no apparent material gain.  Using the broadest definition of &#8220;religion&#8221; (according to my desk OED &#8220;a pursuit or interest followed with great devotion&#8221;), how do we make our movement into the Solar System into the type of &#8220;religious&#8221; movement that does not need a reason beyond our belief in it, and can movivate people for centuries?</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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