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	<title>Comments on: More on Triana</title>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Roger, while I agree with you that Triana clearly did not have large-scale scientific support, we did need the Solar Storm warning aspects of the mission.  However, in my civics class I was taught that executive agencies (like NASA) are part of the Administration, and this decision was made by the Administration even if it was an internal NASA decision.

All that said, on this issue I completely agree with Greg.  The Republican opponents of Triana didn&#039;t give a damn about whether it had scientific merit or not, they saw only an opportunity to attack their political opponents, which they did with gusto.

-- Donald

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger, while I agree with you that Triana clearly did not have large-scale scientific support, we did need the Solar Storm warning aspects of the mission.  However, in my civics class I was taught that executive agencies (like NASA) are part of the Administration, and this decision was made by the Administration even if it was an internal NASA decision.</p>
<p>All that said, on this issue I completely agree with Greg.  The Republican opponents of Triana didn&#8217;t give a damn about whether it had scientific merit or not, they saw only an opportunity to attack their political opponents, which they did with gusto.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pielke, Jr.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 17:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Greg-

Actually, the onus is in Robert Park to substantiate his bold claims that the Bush Administration cancelled Triana.  As far as I have heard it was an internal NASA decision, though I&#039;d welcome evidence to the contrary.

When TRMM was on the chopping block the scientific community rallied in support of it.  Nothing like that happened for Triana, which suggests that it couldn&#039;t have been too high a priority for too many people, other than political partisans and those associated with the mission.

Finally, sunk costs don&#039;t matter, particularly when there is a VSE to feed, precious few shuttle flights left and large costs associated with refitting Triana for another launch vehicle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg-</p>
<p>Actually, the onus is in Robert Park to substantiate his bold claims that the Bush Administration cancelled Triana.  As far as I have heard it was an internal NASA decision, though I&#8217;d welcome evidence to the contrary.</p>
<p>When TRMM was on the chopping block the scientific community rallied in support of it.  Nothing like that happened for Triana, which suggests that it couldn&#8217;t have been too high a priority for too many people, other than political partisans and those associated with the mission.</p>
<p>Finally, sunk costs don&#8217;t matter, particularly when there is a VSE to feed, precious few shuttle flights left and large costs associated with refitting Triana for another launch vehicle.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Kuperberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2006 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Park is completely correct that Triana fell victim to vitriolic Republican propaganda.  It was &quot;Goresat&quot;.  The Republicans on the House Science committee were not above this kind of talk.  These critics had no real loyalty to scientific merit or cost effectiveness, since at the same time they fully supported Potemkin science on the space station.

Roger Pielke has no argument that it didn&#039;t happen.  He says that we should put partisanship behind us, but with Triana, partisanship was the elephant in the room.  He instead argues that the science on Triana wasn&#039;t competitive.  That was once conceivably true, but what is the argument for cancelling a largely finished spacecraft?  If you don&#039;t count the money that won&#039;t come back anyway,  then finishing the job does look cost effective.

Indeed, cancelling Triana looks particularly dubious in light of Bush&#039;s insistence that global warming needs more study.  Does it need more study or doesn&#039;t it?  It makes the call for more study look like an excuse rather than a sincere request.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Park is completely correct that Triana fell victim to vitriolic Republican propaganda.  It was &#8220;Goresat&#8221;.  The Republicans on the House Science committee were not above this kind of talk.  These critics had no real loyalty to scientific merit or cost effectiveness, since at the same time they fully supported Potemkin science on the space station.</p>
<p>Roger Pielke has no argument that it didn&#8217;t happen.  He says that we should put partisanship behind us, but with Triana, partisanship was the elephant in the room.  He instead argues that the science on Triana wasn&#8217;t competitive.  That was once conceivably true, but what is the argument for cancelling a largely finished spacecraft?  If you don&#8217;t count the money that won&#8217;t come back anyway,  then finishing the job does look cost effective.</p>
<p>Indeed, cancelling Triana looks particularly dubious in light of Bush&#8217;s insistence that global warming needs more study.  Does it need more study or doesn&#8217;t it?  It makes the call for more study look like an excuse rather than a sincere request.</p>
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