Comments on: Spread the blame http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=spread-the-blame Because sometimes the most important orbit is the Beltway... Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:35:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.38 By: Dennis Ray Wingo http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7314 Wed, 15 Mar 2006 16:34:44 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7314 Now now Thomas, you need to go to the bathroom and open the cabinet and get your meds out. You know how naughty you get when you don’t take them.

Dennis

]]> By: Thomas Lee Elifritz http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7313 Wed, 15 Mar 2006 14:27:59 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7313 Yes, it would be a joy to see your head literally explode.

]]> By: Dennis Ray Wingo http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7312 Wed, 15 Mar 2006 06:57:51 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7312 Oh I just love it when I put something in like that. Makes sure you read the post, literally.

:)

Dennis

]]> By: Rand Simberg http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7311 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 22:23:35 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7311 Yes, one wishes that peoples’ heads would literally explode when they write things like that.

]]> By: Paul Dietz http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7310 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 17:07:49 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7310 I was at a presentation today where Mary Cleave was literally fed to the lions

I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

]]> By: Ferris Valyn http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7309 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 15:07:25 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7309 Well, maybe its time to get rid of that abstract “exploration” umbrella that supposedly has different types and put the projects where they belong. Science has its own body in government, thats where science projects should go. Aerospace R&D ? they used to have NACA for that which reportedly worked very well.
As for government run space trucking service …

Absolutely!!! And espicially if we are talking about people in space, the phrase, ladies and gentlemen, is colonization. Then we can kill the stupid Manned vs Unmanned debate once and for all

]]> By: Dennis Wingo http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7308 Tue, 14 Mar 2006 04:00:49 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7308 I was at a presentation today where Mary Cleave was literally fed to the lions in the astrophysics community.

Cleave’s weak excuse for the cancellation of Dawn was that it had exceeded its cost by 20%. Little discussion by her was had on the fact that JWST is 350% overrun with no end in sight. (The original Dan Goldin era contract was for ~$1 billion and it was supposed to be cheaper than Hubble).

Dr. Neukum from Germany said that NASA cancelled the mission without even consulting with DLR (who made a principal instrument for the spacecraft) and that this made a bad relationship even worse with Europe.

The astro folks are a bit disingenious as well in whining about the firewall between space science and manned spaceflight as the firewall was a 20% minimum cap and space science is now at 31% of the NASA budget. Cleave was right in pointing this out but the whole community is up in arms right now, especially the new young generation of scientists.

Dennis

]]> By: Edward Wright http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7307 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:46:26 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7307 > It’s convenient to think of Earth science being victimized by manned spaceflight,

Hardly, since there’s very little manned spaceflight in VSE (or womanned, either). The NASA roadmap shows just 2-3 lunar flights a year, after ISS shuts down in 2016.

That’s a flight rate of just 8-12 astronauts per year, down from as many as 56 per year during the Shuttle era.

NASA has flatly reject alternative architectures that would allow for higher astronaut flight rates.

Human spaceflight is what NASA’s sacrificing. The scientists will get a few more moon rocks, rovers, and instruments on the Moon. Astronauts will get pink slips.

]]> By: Edward Wright http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7306 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:31:15 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7306 > If you belive your project, (manned or unmanned) deserves more funding
> than make that argument to congress without taking money from something else.
> You might find more support from others in the space community if they don’t
> have to worry about you trashing funding for their projects.

On the other hand, one might find more support outside the space community, if one showed some fiscal responsibility and concern for the taxpayers, rather than simply demanding they fund anything and everything with the word “space” in it.

Taxpayers have to sacrifice things they want every day, to pay government taxes. When NASA fanboys demand the taxpayers fund *everything* their hearts desire, and aren’t willing to sacrifice anything, taxpayers see them as greedy and unselfish — not undearing qualities.

Every government agency has to prioritize, decide which programs it will fund and which it won’t. Why should NASA be an exception?

]]> By: kert http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/03/13/spread-the-blame/#comment-7305 Mon, 13 Mar 2006 18:55:47 +0000 http://www.districtofbaseball.com/spacepolitics/?p=884#comment-7305 >>I’m so tired of proponents of one type of space exploration constantly trying to throw other types of space exploration “under the bus”

Well, maybe its time to get rid of that abstract “exploration” umbrella that supposedly has different types and put the projects where they belong. Science has its own body in government, thats where science projects should go. Aerospace R&D ? they used to have NACA for that which reportedly worked very well.
As for government run space trucking service …

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