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	<title>Comments on: This won&#8217;t help US-China space cooperation</title>
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		<title>By: changehappens</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/06/28/this-wont-help-us-china-space-cooperation/#comment-8271</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jun 2006 16:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, I agree, we did swing too far in throttling exports, just like we had been too easy going prior to the Loral/Hughes imbroglios.  Now with NASA revitalizing the US rocket industry with its VSE stuff, I don&#039;t see any administration easing the rules and letting either Russia or China get a cut.    
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I agree, we did swing too far in throttling exports, just like we had been too easy going prior to the Loral/Hughes imbroglios.  Now with NASA revitalizing the US rocket industry with its VSE stuff, I don&#8217;t see any administration easing the rules and letting either Russia or China get a cut.    </p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[changehappens:  &lt;i&gt; believe a few years ago, Loral and Hughes were sanctioned for assisting the Chinese as they improved the reliability and accuracy of the LongMarch booster &lt;/i&gt;

This is true (although it is my understanding the accusations were never proven and, certainly, there was a lot of truly nasty domestic politics involved).  However, that resulted (via that politics) in the current obstructions to exporting most space technology to anyone (even our friends), and thus handing an ever larger percentage of our commercial space industry Europe.  This is one of the classic examples of shooting one&#039;s self in the foot.  

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>changehappens:  <i> believe a few years ago, Loral and Hughes were sanctioned for assisting the Chinese as they improved the reliability and accuracy of the LongMarch booster </i></p>
<p>This is true (although it is my understanding the accusations were never proven and, certainly, there was a lot of truly nasty domestic politics involved).  However, that resulted (via that politics) in the current obstructions to exporting most space technology to anyone (even our friends), and thus handing an ever larger percentage of our commercial space industry Europe.  This is one of the classic examples of shooting one&#8217;s self in the foot.  </p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: changehappens</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[US co-operation with either Russia or China will be limited for the foreseeable future.  Both countries use selling military and space hardware to countries hostile to the US.  I believe a few years ago, Loral and Hughes were sanctioned for assisting the Chinese as they improved the reliability and accuracy of the LongMarch booster after a devestating explosion in China.  So its not just the US sanctioning foreign companies.  I find it very interesting that after the latest Shuttle explosion, NASA was finally able to buy Soyuz capsules but have no plans to include Russia in the VSE program.  Even though Russia has proven itself during the long Shuttle standown, the US government sees no benefit in Russian participation of a far more risky and expensive enterprise as the VSE is.  If the Russians can&#039;t be included, no way the Chinese will.  It will probably stay this way until a moment similar to the California Gold Rush occurs.  Then there will be a rush to clarify new laws on property rights, mineral rights, orbital rights that will blow away government hesitations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US co-operation with either Russia or China will be limited for the foreseeable future.  Both countries use selling military and space hardware to countries hostile to the US.  I believe a few years ago, Loral and Hughes were sanctioned for assisting the Chinese as they improved the reliability and accuracy of the LongMarch booster after a devestating explosion in China.  So its not just the US sanctioning foreign companies.  I find it very interesting that after the latest Shuttle explosion, NASA was finally able to buy Soyuz capsules but have no plans to include Russia in the VSE program.  Even though Russia has proven itself during the long Shuttle standown, the US government sees no benefit in Russian participation of a far more risky and expensive enterprise as the VSE is.  If the Russians can&#8217;t be included, no way the Chinese will.  It will probably stay this way until a moment similar to the California Gold Rush occurs.  Then there will be a rush to clarify new laws on property rights, mineral rights, orbital rights that will blow away government hesitations.</p>
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