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		<title>By: Matthew Corey Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/07/31/a-silly-debate/#comment-8543</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matthew Corey Brown]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 22:09:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have nothing tieing me down to earth. Few friends (just co-workers), no striong family ties. Recently divorced with no offspring. I&#039;d go now one way. If there was reasonable support structures in place. I&#039;m not suicidal, but a change of pace sounds good right now.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have nothing tieing me down to earth. Few friends (just co-workers), no striong family ties. Recently divorced with no offspring. I&#8217;d go now one way. If there was reasonable support structures in place. I&#8217;m not suicidal, but a change of pace sounds good right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/07/31/a-silly-debate/#comment-8542</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Aug 2006 17:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Maryland is a heavily liberal area, in fact so heavy that there is a real fight going on to kick out Joe Lieberman, a moderate democrat.&quot;

Yeah, we Marylanders are so liberal we are pushing to kick out a CONNECTICUT senator. I&#039;ll be sure to vote against him whenever he moves down here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Maryland is a heavily liberal area, in fact so heavy that there is a real fight going on to kick out Joe Lieberman, a moderate democrat.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah, we Marylanders are so liberal we are pushing to kick out a CONNECTICUT senator. I&#8217;ll be sure to vote against him whenever he moves down here.</p>
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		<title>By: Edward Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Edward Wright]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; Oops, here&#039;s the link, I have a Dream for the Democrats.

Hardly original. The Democrats have had that same &quot;dream&quot; for 40 years. (You even quote Kennedy&#039;s absurdist rhetoric about doing things not because they&#039;re cheap but because they&#039;re expensive.) So have the Republicans.   

The &quot;dream&quot; of using NASA money to buy votes in the general election is why NASA has made so little progress in opening the frontier. NASA will continue to go downhill, as long as the two parties continue to regard space as just another welfare program and support expensive solutions just &quot;because they are hard.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> Oops, here&#8217;s the link, I have a Dream for the Democrats.</p>
<p>Hardly original. The Democrats have had that same &#8220;dream&#8221; for 40 years. (You even quote Kennedy&#8217;s absurdist rhetoric about doing things not because they&#8217;re cheap but because they&#8217;re expensive.) So have the Republicans.   </p>
<p>The &#8220;dream&#8221; of using NASA money to buy votes in the general election is why NASA has made so little progress in opening the frontier. NASA will continue to go downhill, as long as the two parties continue to regard space as just another welfare program and support expensive solutions just &#8220;because they are hard.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/07/31/a-silly-debate/#comment-8540</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops, here&#039;s the link, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.speakeasy.org/~donaldfr/democrts.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;I have a Dream for the Democrats&lt;/a&gt;.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, here&#8217;s the link, <a href="http://www.speakeasy.org/~donaldfr/democrts.html" rel="nofollow">I have a Dream for the Democrats</a>.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/07/31/a-silly-debate/#comment-8539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 17:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ferris, if you&#039;re not familiar with it, you may be interested in my take on that issue, which was published by &lt;i&gt;Space News&lt;/i&gt; shortly before Mr. Bush&#039;s second election.  While Mr. Bush has obviously preempted this specific idea, I stand by the general argument.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferris, if you&#8217;re not familiar with it, you may be interested in my take on that issue, which was published by <i>Space News</i> shortly before Mr. Bush&#8217;s second election.  While Mr. Bush has obviously preempted this specific idea, I stand by the general argument.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferris Valyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 16:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene,
I wish it were the case that space could rise above an idividual - that isn&#039;t gonna happen in this day and age.  

Of course, it becomes the natural outcome when a party puts idealoges in power.  It is one of the reason I worry about space.  

For a uniquely liberal perspective on what I speak, I suggest hear (the section Adapt we must)
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_digbysblog_archive.html#115458086733370974]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene,<br />
I wish it were the case that space could rise above an idividual &#8211; that isn&#8217;t gonna happen in this day and age.  </p>
<p>Of course, it becomes the natural outcome when a party puts idealoges in power.  It is one of the reason I worry about space.  </p>
<p>For a uniquely liberal perspective on what I speak, I suggest hear (the section Adapt we must)<br />
<a href="http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_digbysblog_archive.html#115458086733370974" rel="nofollow">http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_digbysblog_archive.html#115458086733370974</a></p>
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		<title>By: sam hoffman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sam hoffman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 08:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[YAQW, Donald.

 Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmidt make similar points in Cernan&#039;s book; there&#039;s really no way to do the amount of in-depth geology (selenology?) they did over the course of three days without boots on the ground.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAQW, Donald.</p>
<p> Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmidt make similar points in Cernan&#8217;s book; there&#8217;s really no way to do the amount of in-depth geology (selenology?) they did over the course of three days without boots on the ground.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gene:  &lt;i&gt;I recently watched &quot;From the Earth to the Moon&quot;, where the last episode about Apollo 17 shows that even for certain scientific experiments, machines are not better than humans. I am certainly not a scientist, but I found the episode convincing.&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.praxis-publishing.co.uk/view.asp?id=42&amp;search=home&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Exploring The Moon: The Apollo Expeditions&lt;/a&gt; by David M. Harland is a must read for anyone interested in these issues.  It covers both the exploration and science that was done on the moon with a day-by-day travelogue of exactly what the astronauts did and how they did it.  In the process, it demonstrates why so much of what has been achieved in planetary science actually dates to Apollo (the only extraterrestrial surfaces anywhere in the Solar System with absolute dates are from Apollo; all other dates are educated guesses based on crater counts which in turn are based on the Apollo record), and why robots aren&#039;t going to be duplicating what Apollo achieved any time soon.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gene:  <i>I recently watched &#8220;From the Earth to the Moon&#8221;, where the last episode about Apollo 17 shows that even for certain scientific experiments, machines are not better than humans. I am certainly not a scientist, but I found the episode convincing.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.praxis-publishing.co.uk/view.asp?id=42&#038;search=home" rel="nofollow">Exploring The Moon: The Apollo Expeditions</a> by David M. Harland is a must read for anyone interested in these issues.  It covers both the exploration and science that was done on the moon with a day-by-day travelogue of exactly what the astronauts did and how they did it.  In the process, it demonstrates why so much of what has been achieved in planetary science actually dates to Apollo (the only extraterrestrial surfaces anywhere in the Solar System with absolute dates are from Apollo; all other dates are educated guesses based on crater counts which in turn are based on the Apollo record), and why robots aren&#8217;t going to be duplicating what Apollo achieved any time soon.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Gene</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gene]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is unfortunate that the issue of space exploration is getting bogged down in the debate about Bush.  Humanity&#039;s exploration of space is bigger than W or any other politician.

As for the man vs. machine debate, I think it is misguided because both are key components of space exploration.  Machines can be great for making initial attempts at exploration, scouting for sites, etc (think of all the good work by the Spirit and Opportunity or the Soviet Venera missions).  But mankind does not truly explore unless one of its own sets foot in a new world.  

I recently watched &quot;From the Earth to the Moon&quot;, where the last episode about Apollo 17 shows that even for certain scientific experiments, machines are not better than humans.  I am certainly not a scientist, but I found the episode convincing.

I also found myself hoping I am around to see humans come back to the Moon and go to Mars]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is unfortunate that the issue of space exploration is getting bogged down in the debate about Bush.  Humanity&#8217;s exploration of space is bigger than W or any other politician.</p>
<p>As for the man vs. machine debate, I think it is misguided because both are key components of space exploration.  Machines can be great for making initial attempts at exploration, scouting for sites, etc (think of all the good work by the Spirit and Opportunity or the Soviet Venera missions).  But mankind does not truly explore unless one of its own sets foot in a new world.  </p>
<p>I recently watched &#8220;From the Earth to the Moon&#8221;, where the last episode about Apollo 17 shows that even for certain scientific experiments, machines are not better than humans.  I am certainly not a scientist, but I found the episode convincing.</p>
<p>I also found myself hoping I am around to see humans come back to the Moon and go to Mars</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Aug 2006 00:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Sam.  (blush)

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Sam.  (blush)</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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