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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/10/31/centennial-challenges-funding/#comment-9268</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 20:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reply to Mr. Rusi&#039;s request...

Here&#039;s the website with the list of Congressional members on the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies:

http://appropriations.senate.gov/subcommittees/commjust/topics.cfm?code=commerce

Obviously some Senators pay more attention to NASA issues given their districts, but you could also shotgun the list with the same letter body (just change the addressee and address).

Here&#039;s a list of staffers on the overall Senate Appropriations Committee (and their salaries).

http://www.legistorm.com/office/Appropriations_Committee/1/2.html

It&#039;s a huge list, but you could narrow it to just the professional staff members and shotgun them with the same letter body (and again change the addresses).  Alternately, Allen Cutler and Paul Carliner (both on the list) have dealt with NASA issues in the past -- no idea if they still do.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Mr. Rusi&#8217;s request&#8230;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the website with the list of Congressional members on the Senate Appropriations Subcommittee on Commerce, Justice, Science, and Related Agencies:</p>
<p><a href="http://appropriations.senate.gov/subcommittees/commjust/topics.cfm?code=commerce" rel="nofollow">http://appropriations.senate.gov/subcommittees/commjust/topics.cfm?code=commerce</a></p>
<p>Obviously some Senators pay more attention to NASA issues given their districts, but you could also shotgun the list with the same letter body (just change the addressee and address).</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list of staffers on the overall Senate Appropriations Committee (and their salaries).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.legistorm.com/office/Appropriations_Committee/1/2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.legistorm.com/office/Appropriations_Committee/1/2.html</a></p>
<p>It&#8217;s a huge list, but you could narrow it to just the professional staff members and shotgun them with the same letter body (and again change the addresses).  Alternately, Allen Cutler and Paul Carliner (both on the list) have dealt with NASA issues in the past &#8212; no idea if they still do.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/10/31/centennial-challenges-funding/#comment-9267</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 01:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll answer Sarah&#039;s question about astronomy and the exploration of the Earth.  I&#039;ll just stick with an aspect related to the topic at hand (prizes).  The Longitude Prize was offered by the English government because at that time there was no effective way to determine longitude on a ship at sea, which hampered travel and commerce on the oceans.  Eventually an astronomical method to determine longitude was developed.  Clocks were also developed that could remain accurate under conditions at sea, which also gave a method to determine longitude.  In this case not only was the problem solved, but worthwhile advances (apart from the longitude problem) were made in both astronomy and clocks.  Some of the papers I linked to in the blog I mentioned in the earlier post have more details (as does the book Longitude by Dava Sobel).

The point for Centennial Challenges is that prizes have been offered and won (to the benefit of both offerer and winner) many times in the past in similar situations.  The idea doesn&#039;t really need to be treated so gingerly, as if it were brand new and highly speculative.  Some judgement in picking prizes to offer, some management skill, and of course some money are the main ingredients needed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll answer Sarah&#8217;s question about astronomy and the exploration of the Earth.  I&#8217;ll just stick with an aspect related to the topic at hand (prizes).  The Longitude Prize was offered by the English government because at that time there was no effective way to determine longitude on a ship at sea, which hampered travel and commerce on the oceans.  Eventually an astronomical method to determine longitude was developed.  Clocks were also developed that could remain accurate under conditions at sea, which also gave a method to determine longitude.  In this case not only was the problem solved, but worthwhile advances (apart from the longitude problem) were made in both astronomy and clocks.  Some of the papers I linked to in the blog I mentioned in the earlier post have more details (as does the book Longitude by Dava Sobel).</p>
<p>The point for Centennial Challenges is that prizes have been offered and won (to the benefit of both offerer and winner) many times in the past in similar situations.  The idea doesn&#8217;t really need to be treated so gingerly, as if it were brand new and highly speculative.  Some judgement in picking prizes to offer, some management skill, and of course some money are the main ingredients needed.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Laine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/10/31/centennial-challenges-funding/#comment-9266</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Laine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Nov 2006 00:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i was at the xprize event.  it was a great show, and it didnt produce a &#039;winner&#039; by the narrowest of margins.  Carmak and his team were off by a few inches from winning the lander competition, and while there is some doubt as to what happened, exactly, the U. of Sasskathawan came damn close to winning the power beaming competition.  i am certain there will be a winner in both areas next year.  

unless there is a significant materials breakthrough, i doubt the tether competition will be won.

so, hopefully, we can put on a good show for congress, prove that it was money well spent, and they will authorize funds.

personally, i&#039;d like to see a BIG prize available.  i went with prospace.org last march to talk with congress about a big, $100m prize...  didnt get much of a response. :-)  but consider this, NASA has gotten priceless PRESS value, and they have not had to spend a single $ yet... and probably $1-1.5M has ACTUALLY been spent by teams working on this stuff.  as a finance guy, that seems like a really strong return on investment....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i was at the xprize event.  it was a great show, and it didnt produce a &#8216;winner&#8217; by the narrowest of margins.  Carmak and his team were off by a few inches from winning the lander competition, and while there is some doubt as to what happened, exactly, the U. of Sasskathawan came damn close to winning the power beaming competition.  i am certain there will be a winner in both areas next year.  </p>
<p>unless there is a significant materials breakthrough, i doubt the tether competition will be won.</p>
<p>so, hopefully, we can put on a good show for congress, prove that it was money well spent, and they will authorize funds.</p>
<p>personally, i&#8217;d like to see a BIG prize available.  i went with prospace.org last march to talk with congress about a big, $100m prize&#8230;  didnt get much of a response. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" />  but consider this, NASA has gotten priceless PRESS value, and they have not had to spend a single $ yet&#8230; and probably $1-1.5M has ACTUALLY been spent by teams working on this stuff.  as a finance guy, that seems like a really strong return on investment&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 19:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hope it is okay to post this, but I&#039;ve just found out about a new commercial magazine published out of New York focusing on private spaceflight.  I have not seen it, so this is posted for information only.

http://launchmagonline.com/

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope it is okay to post this, but I&#8217;ve just found out about a new commercial magazine published out of New York focusing on private spaceflight.  I have not seen it, so this is posted for information only.</p>
<p><a href="http://launchmagonline.com/" rel="nofollow">http://launchmagonline.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Foust</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/10/31/centennial-challenges-funding/#comment-9264</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Foust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 18:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A couple of points:

1) The problems with DARPA&#039;s Grand Challenges program are different from those with NASA&#039;s Centennial Challenges.  In the former Congress redirected authority for granting prizes from the head of DARPA to his superior; in the latter, a Senate committee elected not to provide NASA with addtional prize money.  Generalizing that this means that Congress is wavering in its support of prizes doesn&#039;t, to this observer, seem warranted.

2) Even if Congress eventually decides not to provide additional funding for Centennial Challenges in FY07, the prize money previously allocated will still be available; NASA simply won&#039;t be able to fund additional large prizes. So things like the tether strength competition can continue next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of points:</p>
<p>1) The problems with DARPA&#8217;s Grand Challenges program are different from those with NASA&#8217;s Centennial Challenges.  In the former Congress redirected authority for granting prizes from the head of DARPA to his superior; in the latter, a Senate committee elected not to provide NASA with addtional prize money.  Generalizing that this means that Congress is wavering in its support of prizes doesn&#8217;t, to this observer, seem warranted.</p>
<p>2) Even if Congress eventually decides not to provide additional funding for Centennial Challenges in FY07, the prize money previously allocated will still be available; NASA simply won&#8217;t be able to fund additional large prizes. So things like the tether strength competition can continue next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rusi</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2006/10/31/centennial-challenges-funding/#comment-9263</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Rusi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be nice to know exactly who in Congress and/or who&#039;s Congressional staffer(s) is/are responsible for zeroing out future prize money for the Centeniel Challenges. The tether prize is based on the theory that small prizes over a DECADE will advance the &quot;state of the art&quot; in material science enough to make a stationary space tether possible. Realistically, this tether is one of the few possibilities for &quot;cheap access to space&quot; for the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to know exactly who in Congress and/or who&#8217;s Congressional staffer(s) is/are responsible for zeroing out future prize money for the Centeniel Challenges. The tether prize is based on the theory that small prizes over a DECADE will advance the &#8220;state of the art&#8221; in material science enough to make a stationary space tether possible. Realistically, this tether is one of the few possibilities for &#8220;cheap access to space&#8221; for the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Mann</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Mann]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 07:25:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;How did a knowledge of Astronomy help in the exploration of earth hundreds of years ago?&lt;/i&gt;

Navigation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How did a knowledge of Astronomy help in the exploration of earth hundreds of years ago?</i></p>
<p>Navigation.</p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sarah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hi,umm i was just wonderin if you could please answer my question. my question is: How did a knowledge of Astronomy help in the exploration of earth hundreds of years ago? please tell me what the answer is.thankyou]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi,umm i was just wonderin if you could please answer my question. my question is: How did a knowledge of Astronomy help in the exploration of earth hundreds of years ago? please tell me what the answer is.thankyou</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What utterly lazy logic on the part of our Congress.

Rather than support a bold experiment that pays only for results, let&#039;s shovel that remaining 0.001 percent of NASA&#039;s budget out of the Treasury&#039;s door, where hard-working taxpayers will never be able to reclaim it, even when contractors and grantees fail to deliver the products they&#039;re paid for.  

Forget space politics.  What a pathetic statement about our appropriators&#039; general lack of fiscal rigor...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What utterly lazy logic on the part of our Congress.</p>
<p>Rather than support a bold experiment that pays only for results, let&#8217;s shovel that remaining 0.001 percent of NASA&#8217;s budget out of the Treasury&#8217;s door, where hard-working taxpayers will never be able to reclaim it, even when contractors and grantees fail to deliver the products they&#8217;re paid for.  </p>
<p>Forget space politics.  What a pathetic statement about our appropriators&#8217; general lack of fiscal rigor&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Nov 2006 01:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a link at http://spaceprizes.blogspot.com/ to an article on the DARPA Grand Challenge prize issue.  It sounds like the next Grand Challenge is on, with a good competition and a lot of grant money, but no cash prize for winning.  Of course giving a number of teams grants puts the government in the traditional position of paying regardless of whether or not any team succeeds.

Hopefully this event and the Senate Appropriations Committee language on the Centennial Challenges is not the beginning of the end of the government&#039;s dipping its toes in the &quot;prize&quot; waters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a link at <a href="http://spaceprizes.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://spaceprizes.blogspot.com/</a> to an article on the DARPA Grand Challenge prize issue.  It sounds like the next Grand Challenge is on, with a good competition and a lot of grant money, but no cash prize for winning.  Of course giving a number of teams grants puts the government in the traditional position of paying regardless of whether or not any team succeeds.</p>
<p>Hopefully this event and the Senate Appropriations Committee language on the Centennial Challenges is not the beginning of the end of the government&#8217;s dipping its toes in the &#8220;prize&#8221; waters.</p>
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