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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/01/23/china-fesses-up/#comment-9796</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jan 2007 02:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I suggest that we assume that the Chinese are smart, rational, and that they care about national security.&quot;

As long as we also remember the Chinese government rules by coercion and is eager to extend that power over a free people (Taiwan).   So it&#039;s foolish for the United States to ignore the threat to national security from China, a threat which extends from Chinese planning to attack American forces, to the large-scale hacking attacks on American computer networks and the attempts to buy American influence with illegal campaign contributions.

Possession of an ASAT alone may be &#039;smart, rational and show care about national security&#039;, but the method of the Chinese ASAT test spoke volumes.  We still can&#039;t be certain that the Chinese military was acting under the supervision of Chinese civil authorities considering the bewildered response of the Chinese diplomats.  And the test itself was amazingly irresponsible to all space-faring nations because the Chinese used the worst-case method of producing orbital debris.  The collosal amount of debris the Chinese littered LEO with will present a danger for decades to come or even longer because of the high orbit of the debris.  That secret ASAT test demonstrated reckless behavior on the part of the Chinese, not &#039;smart and rational&#039; behavior. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I suggest that we assume that the Chinese are smart, rational, and that they care about national security.&#8221;</p>
<p>As long as we also remember the Chinese government rules by coercion and is eager to extend that power over a free people (Taiwan).   So it&#8217;s foolish for the United States to ignore the threat to national security from China, a threat which extends from Chinese planning to attack American forces, to the large-scale hacking attacks on American computer networks and the attempts to buy American influence with illegal campaign contributions.</p>
<p>Possession of an ASAT alone may be &#8216;smart, rational and show care about national security&#8217;, but the method of the Chinese ASAT test spoke volumes.  We still can&#8217;t be certain that the Chinese military was acting under the supervision of Chinese civil authorities considering the bewildered response of the Chinese diplomats.  And the test itself was amazingly irresponsible to all space-faring nations because the Chinese used the worst-case method of producing orbital debris.  The collosal amount of debris the Chinese littered LEO with will present a danger for decades to come or even longer because of the high orbit of the debris.  That secret ASAT test demonstrated reckless behavior on the part of the Chinese, not &#8216;smart and rational&#8217; behavior. </p>
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		<title>By: al Fansome</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[According to government sources, quoted in the Washington Times, this was the 4th test of this particular Chinese ASAT weapon, with the first 3 ending in failure.

see 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070124-121536-8225r.htm

&lt;i&gt;U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports said yesterday that three previous tests were unsuccessful. All four tests involved the launch of a commercial rocket booster carrying an anti-satellite (ASAT) warhead that would separate from the booster in space and seek to crash into the satellite about 530 miles above the earth. &lt;/i&gt;


The same story also carried some other anecdotal evidence that will almost certainly picked up by conservative news sources.

&lt;i&gt;The report also stated that three books written by Chinese colonels in 2001, 2002 and 2005 contain &quot;proposals for covert deployment of antisatellite weapons directed at U.S. assets.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;One author, Col. Jia Junming, stated in his 2002 book that Chinese space-weapons development should be covert and &quot;intense internally but relaxed in external appearance to maintain our good international image and position.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

&lt;i&gt;The 2005 book, &quot;Joint Space War Campaigns,&quot; by Col. Yuan Zelu, calls for deploying an orbiting network of strike weapons that &quot;will be concealed and launched only in a crisis or emergency&quot; to &quot;bring the opponent to his knees.&quot; &lt;/i&gt;

- Al]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to government sources, quoted in the Washington Times, this was the 4th test of this particular Chinese ASAT weapon, with the first 3 ending in failure.</p>
<p>see<br />
<a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070124-121536-8225r.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20070124-121536-8225r.htm</a></p>
<p><i>U.S. officials familiar with intelligence reports said yesterday that three previous tests were unsuccessful. All four tests involved the launch of a commercial rocket booster carrying an anti-satellite (ASAT) warhead that would separate from the booster in space and seek to crash into the satellite about 530 miles above the earth. </i></p>
<p>The same story also carried some other anecdotal evidence that will almost certainly picked up by conservative news sources.</p>
<p><i>The report also stated that three books written by Chinese colonels in 2001, 2002 and 2005 contain &#8220;proposals for covert deployment of antisatellite weapons directed at U.S. assets.&#8221; </i></p>
<p><i>One author, Col. Jia Junming, stated in his 2002 book that Chinese space-weapons development should be covert and &#8220;intense internally but relaxed in external appearance to maintain our good international image and position.&#8221; </i></p>
<p><i>The 2005 book, &#8220;Joint Space War Campaigns,&#8221; by Col. Yuan Zelu, calls for deploying an orbiting network of strike weapons that &#8220;will be concealed and launched only in a crisis or emergency&#8221; to &#8220;bring the opponent to his knees.&#8221; </i></p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/01/23/china-fesses-up/#comment-9794</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand, while I agree with your implication that we should not be developing yet another medium class launch vehicle, and that the VSE would be in at least somewhat better shape if we weren&#039;t, none of that lets the Administration off the hook for their other budgetary disasters.  Even if the VSE cost half, or a quarter, of its current estimates, I expect that it would still almost certainly be at great political and financial risk at this time.  Obviously, the higher VSE cost does not help, but playing empire is a very, very expensive game, and it is not going to get any cheaper. . . .

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, while I agree with your implication that we should not be developing yet another medium class launch vehicle, and that the VSE would be in at least somewhat better shape if we weren&#8217;t, none of that lets the Administration off the hook for their other budgetary disasters.  Even if the VSE cost half, or a quarter, of its current estimates, I expect that it would still almost certainly be at great political and financial risk at this time.  Obviously, the higher VSE cost does not help, but playing empire is a very, very expensive game, and it is not going to get any cheaper. . . .</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 19:21:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, Donald, but the only thing that makes VSE unaffordable is NASA&#039;s chosen plan to implement it--it has nothing to do with Iraq.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Donald, but the only thing that makes VSE unaffordable is NASA&#8217;s chosen plan to implement it&#8211;it has nothing to do with Iraq.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chance:  &lt;i&gt;If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ll certainly accept your correction.  The fault (certainly in Iraq) lies almost entirely with the Administration.  Before we went to war, the Administration was repeatedly warned by many knowledgeable sources in both the intelligence community and the military that today&#039;s outcome was likely.  They chose to ignore those findings, apparently so that Donald Rumsfeld could attempt to demonstrate his military theories with somebody else&#039;s children and his boss could settle old scores.  For that, we have probably made the VSE (of any flavor) unaffordable, and with it a near term future in the Solar System.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chance:  <i>If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll certainly accept your correction.  The fault (certainly in Iraq) lies almost entirely with the Administration.  Before we went to war, the Administration was repeatedly warned by many knowledgeable sources in both the intelligence community and the military that today&#8217;s outcome was likely.  They chose to ignore those findings, apparently so that Donald Rumsfeld could attempt to demonstrate his military theories with somebody else&#8217;s children and his boss could settle old scores.  For that, we have probably made the VSE (of any flavor) unaffordable, and with it a near term future in the Solar System.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: In vacuo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[In vacuo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt; The national security community does indeed do this type of analysis. If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy. 

Sometimes it is the fault of the bureaucracy, at least in large part. Most of the reason our imaging reconnaissance satellite constellation is small and vulnerable can be traced to the NRO and its various components.

True, in theory higher levels in the Executive branch and Congressional oversight committees could have corrected the situation. But that never came close to happening, and I have no confidence that things will change in the foreseeable future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>> The national security community does indeed do this type of analysis. If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy. </p>
<p>Sometimes it is the fault of the bureaucracy, at least in large part. Most of the reason our imaging reconnaissance satellite constellation is small and vulnerable can be traced to the NRO and its various components.</p>
<p>True, in theory higher levels in the Executive branch and Congressional oversight committees could have corrected the situation. But that never came close to happening, and I have no confidence that things will change in the foreseeable future.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jan 2007 03:23:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;and no one performs the type of analysis that you&#039;ve done above.&quot;

I take exception to this comment.  The national security community does indeed do this type of analysis.  If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;and no one performs the type of analysis that you&#8217;ve done above.&#8221;</p>
<p>I take exception to this comment.  The national security community does indeed do this type of analysis.  If the policy makers choose to ignore or cherry pick the analytical findings, it is hardly the fault of the bureaucracy.</p>
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		<title>By: richardb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 22:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anon, my statement about crazy was a poor choice of words.  Unpredicatable is better. I would never ascribe crazy, as in stupid, to Chinese leadership.   Far from it, they have managed since the Great Leap forward to bring about 100 million people into a lifestyle lots of Americans would appreciate.  Thats genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anon, my statement about crazy was a poor choice of words.  Unpredicatable is better. I would never ascribe crazy, as in stupid, to Chinese leadership.   Far from it, they have managed since the Great Leap forward to bring about 100 million people into a lifestyle lots of Americans would appreciate.  Thats genius.</p>
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		<title>By: al Fansome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 21:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To both &quot;anon&quot; and to Rand -- well done.  

When Dr. Day, Don Robertson, and Rand Simberg all agree on something ... maybe we are getting somewhere.

I also agree with Rand&#039;s writings at TCS that the solution to the problem is already in sight ... and that it is called Operational Responsive Spacelift.  The existence of a proven ORS capability (on the U.S. side) will be a major deterrent to China every using its ASAT capability in practice.  If we pop up replacements in days or hours, they will have all the downsides of starting a war with the U.S. but few of the military benefits from the asymmetric attack.

A quote from Albert Einstein is appropriate at this moment --&gt; &lt;i&gt;“Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

ORS is a different level of thinking for the U.S. national security bureaucracy.  

Sometimes you need to be forced to do the right thing.  The upside is that we may acquire Cheap Access to Space, with all the civil and commercial industrial benefits that everybody here wants, as a bonus.

- Al]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To both &#8220;anon&#8221; and to Rand &#8212; well done.  </p>
<p>When Dr. Day, Don Robertson, and Rand Simberg all agree on something &#8230; maybe we are getting somewhere.</p>
<p>I also agree with Rand&#8217;s writings at TCS that the solution to the problem is already in sight &#8230; and that it is called Operational Responsive Spacelift.  The existence of a proven ORS capability (on the U.S. side) will be a major deterrent to China every using its ASAT capability in practice.  If we pop up replacements in days or hours, they will have all the downsides of starting a war with the U.S. but few of the military benefits from the asymmetric attack.</p>
<p>A quote from Albert Einstein is appropriate at this moment &#8211;> <i>“Problems cannot be solved by the same level of thinking that created them.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>ORS is a different level of thinking for the U.S. national security bureaucracy.  </p>
<p>Sometimes you need to be forced to do the right thing.  The upside is that we may acquire Cheap Access to Space, with all the civil and commercial industrial benefits that everybody here wants, as a bonus.</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jan 2007 19:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;China executed a long-term development program of an ASAT, and tested the ASAT, because they want an ASAT.&lt;/em&gt;

Yes.  As I noted in my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=012207E&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TCSDaily piece&lt;/a&gt;, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>China executed a long-term development program of an ASAT, and tested the ASAT, because they want an ASAT.</em></p>
<p>Yes.  As I noted in my <a href="http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=012207E" rel="nofollow">TCSDaily piece</a>, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.</p>
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