As far as I’m concerned things never looked better for space, until George W. Bush, his VSE and ESAS and his incompetent treasury draining illegal war of aggression let’s destroy all the principles that made America great policies. The only way we can get past this crisis, is to stop it, dead. End it. The sooner the better.

Now that Michael Griffin has demonstrated that he is both incompetent and insincere, killing VSE and ESAS seems a lot easier than it once did.

Ending funding for government human spaceflight is a bad idear whose time has come…

A mesure of how bad things are is how many of those bad idears now ahve merit…lol

Robert

While Rome burns, the Neros fiddle. We are now entering the period of the VSE and ESAS death watch. When you’ve lost John Young, you’ve lost.

Sad to see the comments section of your blog devolve into an echo of the old space bulletin board…

Great posts, though. Don’t let the clowns get to you.

Cheers,
Shubber

Mark.

try and come into the real world…

Return to the Moon is no Lewis and Clark on a grand scale. What a hoot.

LandC did not create government infrastructure that had no chance of standing on its on to do voyages of exploration that had no impact on American society.

Return to the Moon as “your guys” are presently doing it is really “no contractor left behind” in a government infrastructure that if the federal dollar were pulled could not survive on its on, and more or less exist in a vacumn in terms of the rest of American soeity. Like the current space shuttle/station program the ONLY people who will go back to the Moon ARE GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES.

The effort has continually ignored existing psuedo private industry infrastructure (Atlas/Delta) and near term possible real private infrastructure (Bigelow etc) all in an attempt to protect GOVERNMENT INFRASTRUCTURE.

That is the reality of the program that you are supporting. You attempt to hide that reality, perhaps you have to, by the hate Bush Syndrome…all I attribute to a spin off of your hate Clinton syndrome…lol

Besides this argument doesnt make sense….you wrote:

“I support the return to the Moon because it represents a new direction for NASA away from being a high tech, government run taxi service back to exploration, leaving Low Earth orbit to private business”

Ignoring the “high tech” nonesense…why does NASA need a new direction (which in all respects looks like the old one…aka government infrastructure/government employees/ government hard ware….) so it can leave the current one to private industry? that makes no sense…

as does your pivot to the RR…the western railroads were exactly the role government should play. Private enterprise built and operated thyem…what government enterprise is building return to the moon? Or have you sunk so low as to think that all the shuttle contractors are private enterprise.

As for WWII..

Mark I oppossed going to Iraq. I oppossed doing it because I predicted that this administration was so incompetent that it would make almost every mistake in the book…they have not dissapointed me in that.

Now we are there, we have to win…the trick is can we get the incompetents out of the way in time to do so…the incompetents your folks appointed.

I remember when you were buying the line that we would do our business in Iraq with 50,000 troops. what a hoot.

Find the old Mark Whittington…

Robert

I support the return to the Moon because it represents a new direction for NASA away from being a high tech, government run taxi service back to exploration, leaving Low Earth orbit to private business. Lewis and Clark on a grand scale while private business builds the railroad, to use a good analogy. You simply mindless oppose it because it’s a Bush plan and you hate Bush.

Your hysterical rhetoric about the Administration I think proves my point. You are suffering from Bush Derangement Syndrome. That’s one reason why nothing you say or post has any credibility what so ever.

as for the comparison with Bob Dole…he lost as well with that line.

Robert

MArk,

There is nothing wrong with Big Government. BG organized the effort that Won WWII, tamed the “device”, built the interstate highway system, runs the finest ATC system in the country, and essentially empowered private enterprise to establish the most robust economy that history has known. How robust is it? It has sustained six years of unbriddled spending by this administration.

The far right rails against big government as if it is something horrific forgetting what it has done…the reason I am starting to suspect is that the far right has no clue how to make government work, so they need “small government” which is commensurate with their management capabilities…

(LOL)

Return to the Moon is not a bad program because Bush thought it up (if indeed he did) it is a bad program because it is being done by the same incompetents who brought us a shuttle that is an “incomplete success”, a station that is well even less and a general human space effort that is a joke.

And you support that.

You may mouth the words for private involvement, but when the rubber hits the road, you are carrying water for a program that has so little private involvement that it is darn near invivisble. Not to mention floundering.

As for my support of the opponents of this President in the 00 and 04 election…I am quite proud of it.

These clowns have floundered at almost everything that they have touched. There is not a single solitary project that they have had their ‘hands” in that the next “person” whoever it is is going to have to rescue from the turd pile. And that includes human spaceflight.

Thats your guys…enjoy the company.

Robert

Oler, not to seem like Bob Dole, but why are you lying about my record again? I’ve been the biggest champion of encouraging commercial space on this planet and in much broader venues than some blog. Your problem is that VSE is a Bush initiative, albeit one that has picked up some bipartisan support in Congress and the country. You have Bush Derangement Syndrome. Therefore, in your feverish mind, nothing good can some of VSE.

I’m also very ammused to see a former supporter of Gore, Dean, and Kerry tut tut about “big gummit.” Give me a break. That’s about as credible as just about anything else you’ve posted.