<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The NSS joins the &#8220;Save Mars&#8221; bandwagon</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/?utm_source=rss&#038;utm_medium=rss&#038;utm_campaign=the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon</link>
	<description>Because sometimes the most important orbit is the Beltway...</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:35:41 +0000</lastBuildDate>
		<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
		<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>https://wordpress.org/?v=4.0.38</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Polywood</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-42650</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Polywood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-42650</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think human exploration of Mars is needed. Let the robots do it, they can do more than a human do out there anyway.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think human exploration of Mars is needed. Let the robots do it, they can do more than a human do out there anyway.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26789</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I checked the National Space Society site:

http://www.nss.org/

Not only do they have the alert about the Mars language, but they have this:

&quot;NSS Legislative ALERT:  Private Property Rights in Space in Serious Jeopardy!

The U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee has passed the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty and it is now heading to the Senate floor for a vote.  It can be voted on any day now.  Please help stop the Senate from ratifying the Law of the Sea Treaty (LoST).&quot;

There&#039;s a lot more in the link they provide after that about the precedent the treaty would have for the Moon Treaty, which they are against.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the National Space Society site:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nss.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nss.org/</a></p>
<p>Not only do they have the alert about the Mars language, but they have this:</p>
<p>&#8220;NSS Legislative ALERT:  Private Property Rights in Space in Serious Jeopardy!</p>
<p>The U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee has passed the United Nations Law of the Sea Treaty and it is now heading to the Senate floor for a vote.  It can be voted on any day now.  Please help stop the Senate from ratifying the Law of the Sea Treaty (LoST).&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more in the link they provide after that about the precedent the treaty would have for the Moon Treaty, which they are against.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: anonymous.space</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26272</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous.space]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 21:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26272</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Why must you turn every single thread into a gripe about Orion and Ares?&quot;

Please reread my post.  It&#039;s a complaint about where Congressional attention is focused, not about Ares I/Orion issues.  Even if Ares I/Orion were going well, Congress&#039;s (and the White House&#039;s) attention needs to be focused first and foremost on those ten billion dollar-class development programs, not million dollar-class technology research programs.  Our political leadership has lost the forest for the trees when it comes to NASA, which is just bad governance.

To back up my complaint about our congressional representatives, I did link to and summarize an article about yet another technically driven schedule slip on Ares I.  But it was just an example, and not the point of the post.

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why must you turn every single thread into a gripe about Orion and Ares?&#8221;</p>
<p>Please reread my post.  It&#8217;s a complaint about where Congressional attention is focused, not about Ares I/Orion issues.  Even if Ares I/Orion were going well, Congress&#8217;s (and the White House&#8217;s) attention needs to be focused first and foremost on those ten billion dollar-class development programs, not million dollar-class technology research programs.  Our political leadership has lost the forest for the trees when it comes to NASA, which is just bad governance.</p>
<p>To back up my complaint about our congressional representatives, I did link to and summarize an article about yet another technically driven schedule slip on Ares I.  But it was just an example, and not the point of the post.</p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: John Provan</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Provan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:54:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26251</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Whether or not NASA spends some millions on research grant supporting potential future human Mars exploration decades down the road is insignificant compared to the problems facing the tens-of-billion dollar development programs in Constellation today.&quot;

Why must you turn every single thread into a gripe about Orion and Ares?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Whether or not NASA spends some millions on research grant supporting potential future human Mars exploration decades down the road is insignificant compared to the problems facing the tens-of-billion dollar development programs in Constellation today.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why must you turn every single thread into a gripe about Orion and Ares?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: D. Messier</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26242</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 17:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26242</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Yeah, that&#039;s been an institutional issue with NSS since von Braun helped to found its predecessor. Sort of a grassroots organization founded by people at the top, which is a fundamental contradiction that Michael Neufeld points out in his von Braun bio. Limits the group&#039;s effectiveness a bit when they&#039;re that close to NASA, although they have forged close ties with the emerging tourism industry.

I was disappointed with a recent NSS statement that mentioned the Earth sciences programs. The basic attitude was &quot;yeah more could be done, but there&#039;s plenty of missions planned.&quot; I felt it largely ignored the damage Bush has done to Earth sciences, especially environmental monitoring crucial to understanding climate change. It was too close to the administration&#039;s line, which I think has been fundamentally dishonest on climate change for going on seven years now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, that&#8217;s been an institutional issue with NSS since von Braun helped to found its predecessor. Sort of a grassroots organization founded by people at the top, which is a fundamental contradiction that Michael Neufeld points out in his von Braun bio. Limits the group&#8217;s effectiveness a bit when they&#8217;re that close to NASA, although they have forged close ties with the emerging tourism industry.</p>
<p>I was disappointed with a recent NSS statement that mentioned the Earth sciences programs. The basic attitude was &#8220;yeah more could be done, but there&#8217;s plenty of missions planned.&#8221; I felt it largely ignored the damage Bush has done to Earth sciences, especially environmental monitoring crucial to understanding climate change. It was too close to the administration&#8217;s line, which I think has been fundamentally dishonest on climate change for going on seven years now.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: al Fansome</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26225</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 14:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26225</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Doug,

You are correct that the Ares 1 problems are much larger ... but they are also much more difficult to solve (NSS generally avoids issues that would have NSS criticize NASA ... they are willing to criticize Cogress, but bend over backwards to avoid criticizing NASA.)

In NSS favor - the Mars issue is relatively simple &amp; straightforward and comparatively easy to solve.  And it might be important some day.  I don&#039;t mind NSS focusing on this.

- Al

PS -- IF anybody does not believe me about NSS not being willing to criticize NASA -- what do you want to bet that NSS will not criticize NASA for its position this week on planetary defense (we can only afford $4M/year, even though Congress told is, in law, in 2005 to make this a bigger priority).  NSS has no real excuse, since NSS is an advocate of planetary defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug,</p>
<p>You are correct that the Ares 1 problems are much larger &#8230; but they are also much more difficult to solve (NSS generally avoids issues that would have NSS criticize NASA &#8230; they are willing to criticize Cogress, but bend over backwards to avoid criticizing NASA.)</p>
<p>In NSS favor &#8211; the Mars issue is relatively simple &amp; straightforward and comparatively easy to solve.  And it might be important some day.  I don&#8217;t mind NSS focusing on this.</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
<p>PS &#8212; IF anybody does not believe me about NSS not being willing to criticize NASA &#8212; what do you want to bet that NSS will not criticize NASA for its position this week on planetary defense (we can only afford $4M/year, even though Congress told is, in law, in 2005 to make this a bigger priority).  NSS has no real excuse, since NSS is an advocate of planetary defense.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: D. Messier</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26100</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26100</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Mmmm.....this seems like such a side issue given the problems NASA has been having with Orion and Ares. It sounds like they&#039;re going to have trouble going to the moon, much less doing anything significant there. 

I don&#039;t know why NSS isn&#039;t really sounding the alarm on that. They are more tied into what&#039;s going on with NASA and in DC than most people. Surely they must understand what&#039;s happening. 

They seem to be largely silent on these bigger issues, unless I&#039;m missing something. Are they hoping things turn around? Are they reluctant to criticize Griffin and the administration?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mmmm&#8230;..this seems like such a side issue given the problems NASA has been having with Orion and Ares. It sounds like they&#8217;re going to have trouble going to the moon, much less doing anything significant there. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why NSS isn&#8217;t really sounding the alarm on that. They are more tied into what&#8217;s going on with NASA and in DC than most people. Surely they must understand what&#8217;s happening. </p>
<p>They seem to be largely silent on these bigger issues, unless I&#8217;m missing something. Are they hoping things turn around? Are they reluctant to criticize Griffin and the administration?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: LEGISLATIVE UPDATE: Departments of Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2008 &#171; Res Communis</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26054</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LEGISLATIVE UPDATE: Departments of Commerce and Justice, Science, and Related Agencies Appropriations Act, 2008 &#171; Res Communis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26054</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[[...] One of the other significant differences to be ironed out is the inclusion in the House bill of language that would prohibit funds from being used for &#8220;any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars.&#8221; Similar language is not included in the Senate bill. (hat tip: Space Politics). [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] One of the other significant differences to be ironed out is the inclusion in the House bill of language that would prohibit funds from being used for &#8220;any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars.&#8221; Similar language is not included in the Senate bill. (hat tip: Space Politics). [&#8230;]</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Olivier Sanguy</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26034</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Olivier Sanguy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26034</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Patrick, I have read your blog link and the sentence you are afraif of is : &quot;Provided, That none of the funds under this heading shall be used for any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars.&quot;

OK, I am French, so maybe I am misunderstanding, but apparently it says that the funds should not be used for things &lt;b&gt;exclusively&lt;b&gt; related to human exploration of Mars. Strictly, that does also mean that these funds could be used for things related to Mars &lt;b&gt;and&lt;b&gt; other things, like the Moon, no?
So what seems forbidden is only an exclusive manned Mars logic, while a Moon-Mars one still remain possible. Your advice on this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, I have read your blog link and the sentence you are afraif of is : &#8220;Provided, That none of the funds under this heading shall be used for any research, development, or demonstration activities related exclusively to the human exploration of Mars.&#8221;</p>
<p>OK, I am French, so maybe I am misunderstanding, but apparently it says that the funds should not be used for things <b>exclusively</b><b> related to human exploration of Mars. Strictly, that does also mean that these funds could be used for things related to Mars </b><b>and</b><b> other things, like the Moon, no?<br />
So what seems forbidden is only an exclusive manned Mars logic, while a Moon-Mars one still remain possible. Your advice on this?</b></p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patrick J. Coyle</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26007</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick J. Coyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.spacepolitics.com/2007/11/07/the-nss-joins-the-save-mars-bandwagon/#comment-26007</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Nathen

See my blog: Congressional games with Mars exploration @ http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&amp;friendID=129320645&amp;blogID=314674206&amp;Mytoken=65E2E13C-943A-48EC-AD824D49B7895E1031276778

It includes the actual language and a link to the House Approved bill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nathen</p>
<p>See my blog: Congressional games with Mars exploration @ <a href="http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&#038;friendID=129320645&#038;blogID=314674206&#038;Mytoken=65E2E13C-943A-48EC-AD824D49B7895E1031276778" rel="nofollow">http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&#038;friendID=129320645&#038;blogID=314674206&#038;Mytoken=65E2E13C-943A-48EC-AD824D49B7895E1031276778</a></p>
<p>It includes the actual language and a link to the House Approved bill.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
