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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; Gingrich and Pawlenty debate space policy in New Hampshire</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-347562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; Gingrich and Pawlenty debate space policy in New Hampshire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jun 2011 03:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] add much to the discussion, although he already has a track record from the 2008 campaign, where he said he supported the Vision for Space Exploration but declined to promise additional funding for...; he dropped out of the campaign before he could elaborate on that. Pawlenty, though, had been more [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] add much to the discussion, although he already has a track record from the 2008 campaign, where he said he supported the Vision for Space Exploration but declined to promise additional funding for&#8230;; he dropped out of the campaign before he could elaborate on that. Pawlenty, though, had been more [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Romney on Space &#171; In Other Words</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-39251</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Romney on Space &#171; In Other Words]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] but would not commit to anything like raising spending levels for NASA. According to the Space Politics blog, According to a transcript by the Sentinel, Romney said he supports â€œthe NASA program, the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] but would not commit to anything like raising spending levels for NASA. According to the Space Politics blog, According to a transcript by the Sentinel, Romney said he supports â€œthe NASA program, the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-35325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 17:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Pork barrel politics refers to government spending that is intended to benefit constituents of a politician in return for their political support, either in the form of campaign contributions or votes. The term originated early in American history, when slaves were sometimes given a barrel of salt pork as a reward, and had to compete among themselves to get their share of the handout.[3] Typically it involves funding for government programs whose economic or service benefits are concentrated in a particular area but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel

Citizens Against Government Waste ( CAGW) tracks pork barrel with the same zeal as a televangelist and if you look at everything NASA that they track the pork barrel spending they find generally has little to do with launching. http://www.cagw.org/site/Search?query=nasa&amp;inc=10
It has more to do with, for example, nasa travel practices, 25 million spent for planes to shuffle employees around rather then using commerical carries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Pork barrel politics refers to government spending that is intended to benefit constituents of a politician in return for their political support, either in the form of campaign contributions or votes. The term originated early in American history, when slaves were sometimes given a barrel of salt pork as a reward, and had to compete among themselves to get their share of the handout.[3] Typically it involves funding for government programs whose economic or service benefits are concentrated in a particular area but whose costs are spread among all taxpayers.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pork_barrel</a></p>
<p>Citizens Against Government Waste ( CAGW) tracks pork barrel with the same zeal as a televangelist and if you look at everything NASA that they track the pork barrel spending they find generally has little to do with launching. <a href="http://www.cagw.org/site/Search?query=nasa&#038;inc=10" rel="nofollow">http://www.cagw.org/site/Search?query=nasa&#038;inc=10</a><br />
It has more to do with, for example, nasa travel practices, 25 million spent for planes to shuffle employees around rather then using commerical carries.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-35252</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[WHITTINGTON: &lt;i&gt;Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert countries, VSE is of prime political performence.&lt;/i&gt;

&quot;performence&quot;???

I assume you meant &quot;importance&quot;.

Whatever you meant, this claim is totally out of touch with reality.

VSE is of such prime importance that its 2 or 3 congressional advocates (very sad) can&#039;t even acquire a one-time increase of $1 billion.

VSE is of such prime importance that not one leading presidential candidate -- of any persuasion -- has said they would increase NASA&#039;s budget to pay for it.

VSE is of such prime importance, that of the half dozen presidential candidates that have been pandering for votes in key states, none of them can bring themselves to REALLY PANDER for space votes in Florida.  

Not any of the many candidates who pandered on ethanol in Iowa.

Not even Mitt Romney, who recently completed a major pandering event in Michigan, where this so-called &quot;conservative Republican&quot; proposed a federal program to bail out the auto industry.

- Al]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHITTINGTON: <i>Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert countries, VSE is of prime political performence.</i></p>
<p>&#8220;performence&#8221;???</p>
<p>I assume you meant &#8220;importance&#8221;.</p>
<p>Whatever you meant, this claim is totally out of touch with reality.</p>
<p>VSE is of such prime importance that its 2 or 3 congressional advocates (very sad) can&#8217;t even acquire a one-time increase of $1 billion.</p>
<p>VSE is of such prime importance that not one leading presidential candidate &#8212; of any persuasion &#8212; has said they would increase NASA&#8217;s budget to pay for it.</p>
<p>VSE is of such prime importance, that of the half dozen presidential candidates that have been pandering for votes in key states, none of them can bring themselves to REALLY PANDER for space votes in Florida.  </p>
<p>Not any of the many candidates who pandered on ethanol in Iowa.</p>
<p>Not even Mitt Romney, who recently completed a major pandering event in Michigan, where this so-called &#8220;conservative Republican&#8221; proposed a federal program to bail out the auto industry.</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous.space</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous.space]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Rand, to repeat myself, â€œporkâ€ does not mean â€œspending that I happen to disagree with.â€ 

To the extent that the ESAS study was compromised by political considerations of keeping the Shuttle workforce employed, vice pursuing the quickest, most efficient path to getting astronauts to ISS and the Moon after Shuttle&#039;s retirement, Mr. Simberg is right that Constellation (with the exception of COTS) is pork-like.  It&#039;s also noteworthy that a significant amount of Ares I work has been awarded on a sole-source basis rather than competitively, another characteristic in common with earmarks and pork. 

&quot;Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert [sic] countries,&quot;

And those would be?  Evidence?

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rand, to repeat myself, â€œporkâ€ does not mean â€œspending that I happen to disagree with.â€ </p>
<p>To the extent that the ESAS study was compromised by political considerations of keeping the Shuttle workforce employed, vice pursuing the quickest, most efficient path to getting astronauts to ISS and the Moon after Shuttle&#8217;s retirement, Mr. Simberg is right that Constellation (with the exception of COTS) is pork-like.  It&#8217;s also noteworthy that a significant amount of Ares I work has been awarded on a sole-source basis rather than competitively, another characteristic in common with earmarks and pork. </p>
<p>&#8220;Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert [sic] countries,&#8221;</p>
<p>And those would be?  Evidence?</p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-35122</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 22:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;porkâ€ does not mean â€œspending that I happen to disagree with.&lt;/em&gt;

Since I never claimed that it was, I don&#039;t know (as is often the case) what your point is.  My point is that where and by whom ESAS is built is much more important than whether or not it actually achieves its goals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>porkâ€ does not mean â€œspending that I happen to disagree with.</em></p>
<p>Since I never claimed that it was, I don&#8217;t know (as is often the case) what your point is.  My point is that where and by whom ESAS is built is much more important than whether or not it actually achieves its goals.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkWhittington</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/01/22/romney-makes-no-money-promises/#comment-35109</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MarkWhittington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand, to repeat myself, &quot;pork&quot; does not mean &quot;spending that I happen to disagree with.&quot; Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert countries, VSE is of prime political performence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, to repeat myself, &#8220;pork&#8221; does not mean &#8220;spending that I happen to disagree with.&#8221; Considering the numerous space efforts breaking out in othert countries, VSE is of prime political performence.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 19:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apollo was politically important.  ESAS is not.  It&#039;s primarily pork, and more money will not fix it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apollo was politically important.  ESAS is not.  It&#8217;s primarily pork, and more money will not fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: chuck2200</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[chuck2200]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 17:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ESAS actually had the answer but watered it down so that it wouldnâ€™t get noticed and compete with the desired result â€“ the Stick. The answer was the ESAS LV-24/25 option; commonly know as DIRECT. More precisely, itâ€™s the NLS from MSFC that NASA itself tried to get thru congress twice in the past, but couldnâ€™t compete with the ongoing funding needs of fixing and flying Shuttle. Both NASA &lt;b&gt;and&lt;/b&gt; the Air Force wanted this solution. It was denied because Congress wouldnâ€™t fund BOTH Shuttle and the NLS. But itâ€™s different this time; we are replacing Shuttle, but itâ€™s not what Griffin wanted.

The ESAS is seriously flawed, yes, but it actually inadvertently exposed the right answer; dust off the NLS from MSFC, upgrade it to the newer engines available (DIRECT) and go fly it with only minimal changes to the existing infrastructure.
actionforspace said &lt;i&gt;â€Apollo went to the moon in 8 years. They had more problems â€¦ than constellation will ever have.&lt;/i&gt;â€ Apollo had real leadership when it needed it; Von Braun. Constellation has Griffin. Thatâ€™s a bigger problem than Apollo ever had.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ESAS actually had the answer but watered it down so that it wouldnâ€™t get noticed and compete with the desired result â€“ the Stick. The answer was the ESAS LV-24/25 option; commonly know as DIRECT. More precisely, itâ€™s the NLS from MSFC that NASA itself tried to get thru congress twice in the past, but couldnâ€™t compete with the ongoing funding needs of fixing and flying Shuttle. Both NASA <b>and</b> the Air Force wanted this solution. It was denied because Congress wouldnâ€™t fund BOTH Shuttle and the NLS. But itâ€™s different this time; we are replacing Shuttle, but itâ€™s not what Griffin wanted.</p>
<p>The ESAS is seriously flawed, yes, but it actually inadvertently exposed the right answer; dust off the NLS from MSFC, upgrade it to the newer engines available (DIRECT) and go fly it with only minimal changes to the existing infrastructure.<br />
actionforspace said <i>â€Apollo went to the moon in 8 years. They had more problems â€¦ than constellation will ever have.</i>â€ Apollo had real leadership when it needed it; Von Braun. Constellation has Griffin. Thatâ€™s a bigger problem than Apollo ever had.</p>
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		<title>By: actionforspace.com</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[actionforspace.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:40:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;far less money might be exactly the motivation NASA needs&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree, and cite history as my evidence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>far less money might be exactly the motivation NASA needs</i></p>
<p>I disagree, and cite history as my evidence.</p>
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