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	<title>Comments on: FY09 NASA budget: first look</title>
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		<title>By: Habitat Hermit</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Habitat Hermit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Couldn&#039;t agree more with Al Fansome there.

After killing ESAS (if it hasn&#039;t suicided) and depending on who wins the election (especially if it&#039;s McCain) Dr. Griffin needs to be told to leave too so as to remove any chances of him staying on (he did at some point say he wouldn&#039;t continue but who knows what goes on in his head --I sure don&#039;t*). If this is done during the last week of the present administration the interim administrator wouldn&#039;t necessarily have to keep going all that much longer than usual.

Sounds like a plan, does it make sense? Would it work?

* I still believe Dr. G has the very best of intentions (but it&#039;s getting awfully hot down that road).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with Al Fansome there.</p>
<p>After killing ESAS (if it hasn&#8217;t suicided) and depending on who wins the election (especially if it&#8217;s McCain) Dr. Griffin needs to be told to leave too so as to remove any chances of him staying on (he did at some point say he wouldn&#8217;t continue but who knows what goes on in his head &#8211;I sure don&#8217;t*). If this is done during the last week of the present administration the interim administrator wouldn&#8217;t necessarily have to keep going all that much longer than usual.</p>
<p>Sounds like a plan, does it make sense? Would it work?</p>
<p>* I still believe Dr. G has the very best of intentions (but it&#8217;s getting awfully hot down that road).</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 12:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The White House did not get the NASA memo.

Each and every White House document explicitly uses the phrase &quot;Vision for Space Exploration&quot;.  At the same time, Shana Dale&#039;s remarks do not.  The NASA presentation charts presented yesterday use the 4-letter &quot;VSE&quot; word only once -- as a label for the White House&#039;s 2004 VSE policy document.

Since NASA is obviously trying to kill the White House&#039;s &quot;Vision for Space Exploration&quot;, maybe it is time for the White House to return the favor to NASA, and kill ESAS.

- Al]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The White House did not get the NASA memo.</p>
<p>Each and every White House document explicitly uses the phrase &#8220;Vision for Space Exploration&#8221;.  At the same time, Shana Dale&#8217;s remarks do not.  The NASA presentation charts presented yesterday use the 4-letter &#8220;VSE&#8221; word only once &#8212; as a label for the White House&#8217;s 2004 VSE policy document.</p>
<p>Since NASA is obviously trying to kill the White House&#8217;s &#8220;Vision for Space Exploration&#8221;, maybe it is time for the White House to return the favor to NASA, and kill ESAS.</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
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		<title>By: The People</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The People]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 04:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wouldn&#039;t spend too much time worrying about this budget. The response from Congress and stakeholders has been negative all the way around. Even the budget rollout at NASA HQ and the Centers was low key.

This budget is headed for a CR, big time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t spend too much time worrying about this budget. The response from Congress and stakeholders has been negative all the way around. Even the budget rollout at NASA HQ and the Centers was low key.</p>
<p>This budget is headed for a CR, big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Concerned Rocketeer</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/02/04/fy09-nasa-budget-first-look/#comment-36732</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Concerned Rocketeer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Alex wrote:  &quot;Almost a billion for a new fleet of Earth-observing sats. Hm. Any hope of finally flying â€œGoreSatâ€ and perhaps saving some dough in development costs?&quot;

OMB shows that $1.4B in &#039;09 is for finishing up with NPP, GPM, LDCM, OCO, Glory, and evidently for starting some new missions--but I bet there won&#039;t be much left for any new missions.  (After all this time, Triana is probably never going to be launched... that&#039;s if it is still intact.)

Bottom Line:  NASA Science overall goes from 5.5B in 2008 to 4.4B in 2009. That&#039;s a 20% decrease.  If Congress lets that happen, then the taxpayers will totally be getting the shaft from Bush and Co.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alex wrote:  &#8220;Almost a billion for a new fleet of Earth-observing sats. Hm. Any hope of finally flying â€œGoreSatâ€ and perhaps saving some dough in development costs?&#8221;</p>
<p>OMB shows that $1.4B in &#8217;09 is for finishing up with NPP, GPM, LDCM, OCO, Glory, and evidently for starting some new missions&#8211;but I bet there won&#8217;t be much left for any new missions.  (After all this time, Triana is probably never going to be launched&#8230; that&#8217;s if it is still intact.)</p>
<p>Bottom Line:  NASA Science overall goes from 5.5B in 2008 to 4.4B in 2009. That&#8217;s a 20% decrease.  If Congress lets that happen, then the taxpayers will totally be getting the shaft from Bush and Co.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Hiddink</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/02/04/fy09-nasa-budget-first-look/#comment-36731</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Hiddink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For 150 Million dollars I will build a real Spacecraft that will reach the Moon in an hour. It will not use rockets, barfbags or activate osteoporosis
and carry three or four people. I bet you ten dollars that Mr. Grifin would not be interested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For 150 Million dollars I will build a real Spacecraft that will reach the Moon in an hour. It will not use rockets, barfbags or activate osteoporosis<br />
and carry three or four people. I bet you ten dollars that Mr. Grifin would not be interested.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 03:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see a lot I don&#039;t like with the document, but here are a few things that look good, or at least interesting pending more information:

FAST (2M): The Facilitated Access to Space Environment for Technology Development and Training (FAST) program objective is to mature technologies for future space flight use, especially those technologies that need to be proven in the microgravity environment. FAST will provide access to commercial microgravity flight services to advance NASA technologies, reducing risk levels and enabling more verification and validation of these technologies for space flight missions. FAST also facilitates the procurement of commercial space services by NASA to support the development of future space flight-certified technologies.

Lunar Robotic Lander (2008 funds): In FY2008, the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate will fund a lander project as a pathfinder for an anticipated network of small lunar science landers based on requirements of the Agency&#039;s expanded Lunar Science Program, to be outlined in the FY 2009 budget request. NASA envisions that the first two small landers will launch in the 2013/2014 timeframe. During FY 2008-2009, ESMD will use appropriations identified in FY 2008 to conduct Phase A definition, initiate related technical demonstrations for ESMD risk reduction, begin Phase B, and if necessary, begin procurement of long-lead items. The Exploration Systems and Science Mission Directorates will continue to work together combining resources to assure the goals of the science lander are achieved.

Sounding Rockets (30.2M 2008 to 45.1M 2009) (hopefully there&#039;s a way to integrate commercial suborbital rockets into this):  The Sounding Rockets effort funds all suborbital mission activities (payload integration, launch, and mission operation) that support science investigations funded in other parts of the research program, such as the Heliophysics and Astrophysics Research and Analysis programs, as well as other NASA
research benefiting from low-cost or periodic access to space such as exploration technology test and demonstration programs. 

Sounding Rockets present unique low-cost platforms that provide direct access to Earth&#039;s mesosphere and lower thermosphere (40-120 kilometers) and precipitation regions of Earth&#039;s magnetosphere. Because of their short duration and access to Earth&#039;s upper atmosphere and the space environment, sounding rocket suborbital missions also enable calibration under-flights of orbital missions, repeated proof-of-concept technology demonstration missions, and valuable end-to-end space mission experience for scientists and engineers learning to develop and execute discovery-oriented orbital missions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see a lot I don&#8217;t like with the document, but here are a few things that look good, or at least interesting pending more information:</p>
<p>FAST (2M): The Facilitated Access to Space Environment for Technology Development and Training (FAST) program objective is to mature technologies for future space flight use, especially those technologies that need to be proven in the microgravity environment. FAST will provide access to commercial microgravity flight services to advance NASA technologies, reducing risk levels and enabling more verification and validation of these technologies for space flight missions. FAST also facilitates the procurement of commercial space services by NASA to support the development of future space flight-certified technologies.</p>
<p>Lunar Robotic Lander (2008 funds): In FY2008, the Exploration Systems Mission Directorate will fund a lander project as a pathfinder for an anticipated network of small lunar science landers based on requirements of the Agency&#8217;s expanded Lunar Science Program, to be outlined in the FY 2009 budget request. NASA envisions that the first two small landers will launch in the 2013/2014 timeframe. During FY 2008-2009, ESMD will use appropriations identified in FY 2008 to conduct Phase A definition, initiate related technical demonstrations for ESMD risk reduction, begin Phase B, and if necessary, begin procurement of long-lead items. The Exploration Systems and Science Mission Directorates will continue to work together combining resources to assure the goals of the science lander are achieved.</p>
<p>Sounding Rockets (30.2M 2008 to 45.1M 2009) (hopefully there&#8217;s a way to integrate commercial suborbital rockets into this):  The Sounding Rockets effort funds all suborbital mission activities (payload integration, launch, and mission operation) that support science investigations funded in other parts of the research program, such as the Heliophysics and Astrophysics Research and Analysis programs, as well as other NASA<br />
research benefiting from low-cost or periodic access to space such as exploration technology test and demonstration programs. </p>
<p>Sounding Rockets present unique low-cost platforms that provide direct access to Earth&#8217;s mesosphere and lower thermosphere (40-120 kilometers) and precipitation regions of Earth&#8217;s magnetosphere. Because of their short duration and access to Earth&#8217;s upper atmosphere and the space environment, sounding rocket suborbital missions also enable calibration under-flights of orbital missions, repeated proof-of-concept technology demonstration missions, and valuable end-to-end space mission experience for scientists and engineers learning to develop and execute discovery-oriented orbital missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Alex]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost a billion for a new fleet of Earth-observing sats. Hm.  Any hope of finally flying &quot;GoreSat&quot; and perhaps saving some dough in development costs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost a billion for a new fleet of Earth-observing sats. Hm.  Any hope of finally flying &#8220;GoreSat&#8221; and perhaps saving some dough in development costs?</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reader:  &lt;i&gt;commercial space industry in quite a few forms has existed before ISS got its first pieces flying&lt;/i&gt;

True enough, but the launch industry has been static for many years.  The &quot;traditional&quot; markets have failed to generate much expansion and show little sign of doing so.

&lt;i&gt;human launches were also on the table way before&lt;/i&gt;

Really?  My recollection is that commercial human missions to orbit started out to Mir (another high-resource requirement destination), and transferred to the Space Station, and otherwise do not yet exist.  Suborbital commercial flights may yet happen with or without the Space Station, but they haven&#039;t yet and are a very long way from routine orbital commerce.  There is today no &lt;i&gt;large&lt;/i&gt; markiet for expansion of the commercial launch industry other than the Space Station.

It is you who are touting myths.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reader:  <i>commercial space industry in quite a few forms has existed before ISS got its first pieces flying</i></p>
<p>True enough, but the launch industry has been static for many years.  The &#8220;traditional&#8221; markets have failed to generate much expansion and show little sign of doing so.</p>
<p><i>human launches were also on the table way before</i></p>
<p>Really?  My recollection is that commercial human missions to orbit started out to Mir (another high-resource requirement destination), and transferred to the Space Station, and otherwise do not yet exist.  Suborbital commercial flights may yet happen with or without the Space Station, but they haven&#8217;t yet and are a very long way from routine orbital commerce.  There is today no <i>large</i> markiet for expansion of the commercial launch industry other than the Space Station.</p>
<p>It is you who are touting myths.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Jens Knudsen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jens Knudsen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is a mission in the Millennium program that includes the development and testing of solar sail technology.  Is it axed?  Sooner or later, this question needs some attention.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a mission in the Millennium program that includes the development and testing of solar sail technology.  Is it axed?  Sooner or later, this question needs some attention.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;If there is no ISS, there is no market for the commercial providers we are trying to help bring into existence&lt;/i&gt;
Oh FFS. We could have done with one less myth. *sigh*
Once again, commercial space industry in quite a few forms has existed before ISS got its first pieces flying, and human launches were also on the table way before. Could we _please_ stop justifying things with excuses that are too easy to shoot down by anyone paying the slightest attention ? ( &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm#spinfaq12&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;*spinoffs* cough &lt;/a&gt; )]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If there is no ISS, there is no market for the commercial providers we are trying to help bring into existence</i><br />
Oh FFS. We could have done with one less myth. *sigh*<br />
Once again, commercial space industry in quite a few forms has existed before ISS got its first pieces flying, and human launches were also on the table way before. Could we _please_ stop justifying things with excuses that are too easy to shoot down by anyone paying the slightest attention ? ( <a href="http://www.sti.nasa.gov/tto/spinfaq.htm#spinfaq12" rel="nofollow">*spinoffs* cough </a> )</p>
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