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	<title>Comments on: Griffin: &#8220;I do not want another space race&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Blog &#124; Storie spaziali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apollo, che fregatura&#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Blog &#124; Storie spaziali &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Apollo, che fregatura&#8230;]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 08:54:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] incappata, via Space Politics, in una frase di Mike Griffin, l&#8217;amministratore capo della NASA, che mi ha colpito, e che mi [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] incappata, via Space Politics, in una frase di Mike Griffin, l&#8217;amministratore capo della NASA, che mi ha colpito, e che mi [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: D. Messier</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/03/16/griffin-i-do-not-want-another-space-race/#comment-41849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Far from being candid, Griffin is often all over the map with his comments. His various statements conflict with each other; they&#039;re often at odds with his own actions.

He seems to get away with a lot of this stuff because few people are willing to challenge him on it. Probably because he comes off as not really caring and they doubt it would make any different. This is a man who demands the space community &quot;police&quot; itself and make anyone who dissents &quot;unwelcome.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Far from being candid, Griffin is often all over the map with his comments. His various statements conflict with each other; they&#8217;re often at odds with his own actions.</p>
<p>He seems to get away with a lot of this stuff because few people are willing to challenge him on it. Probably because he comes off as not really caring and they doubt it would make any different. This is a man who demands the space community &#8220;police&#8221; itself and make anyone who dissents &#8220;unwelcome.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/03/16/griffin-i-do-not-want-another-space-race/#comment-41797</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:17:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin:  &lt;i&gt;A happy medium is the pyramids, which best evidence suggests were built by competing teams who were not slaves.&lt;/i&gt;

This is correct.  The pyramids were not built sequentially; there was significant overlap when two pyramids were being built at once.  We know this because, when one pyramid failed and collapsed (they are actually quite complex structures; a simple pile of stone would collapse and flow of its own weight), the engineers immediately reduced the angle of another pyramid then under construction, creating the &quot;bent&quot; pyramid.  

We know, or at least strongly suspect, that the pyramids were built by willing labor because Egypt did not have a standing army at the time the largest ones were built.  

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin:  <i>A happy medium is the pyramids, which best evidence suggests were built by competing teams who were not slaves.</i></p>
<p>This is correct.  The pyramids were not built sequentially; there was significant overlap when two pyramids were being built at once.  We know this because, when one pyramid failed and collapsed (they are actually quite complex structures; a simple pile of stone would collapse and flow of its own weight), the engineers immediately reduced the angle of another pyramid then under construction, creating the &#8220;bent&#8221; pyramid.  </p>
<p>We know, or at least strongly suspect, that the pyramids were built by willing labor because Egypt did not have a standing army at the time the largest ones were built.  </p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: kevin parkin</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/03/16/griffin-i-do-not-want-another-space-race/#comment-41786</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kevin parkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffin&#039;s comments are consistent with a view that we already have the technologies needed.

If you don&#039;t subscribe to this view, then Griffin&#039;s other comments to the effect that new technologies only emerge from a government bureaucracy under pain of death apply.

A happy medium is the pyramids, which best evidence suggests were built by competing teams who were not slaves.  (#)

Either way, Griffin is a very smart guy, though not a cheerleader, as imfamously observed by congress.  It is difficult to judge him without knowing his political constraints.

(#) I dare not suggest not under cost plus contracting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffin&#8217;s comments are consistent with a view that we already have the technologies needed.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t subscribe to this view, then Griffin&#8217;s other comments to the effect that new technologies only emerge from a government bureaucracy under pain of death apply.</p>
<p>A happy medium is the pyramids, which best evidence suggests were built by competing teams who were not slaves.  (#)</p>
<p>Either way, Griffin is a very smart guy, though not a cheerleader, as imfamously observed by congress.  It is difficult to judge him without knowing his political constraints.</p>
<p>(#) I dare not suggest not under cost plus contracting.</p>
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		<title>By: ....</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[....]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 20:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let&#039;s not call it a &#039;race&#039; so we don&#039;t have to call what we do &#039;losing&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s not call it a &#8216;race&#8217; so we don&#8217;t have to call what we do &#8216;losing&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: gm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes, the mistake was not the Apollo, but throw everything (rockets, technologies, investments) in the trash can in &#039;72]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, the mistake was not the Apollo, but throw everything (rockets, technologies, investments) in the trash can in &#8217;72</p>
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		<title>By: NoFooling</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NoFooling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are one ignorant tw0t who can only dream about having some balls.

Michael Griffin is the worst administrator of NASA ever, and has done more damage to the reputation of NASA than any other administrator in US history.

Apollo was one of the only good things that happened to America in the 60s and 70s, and possies like you couldn&#039;t take down a sitting US president or overturn the established authority of the United States of America if your life depended on it, which it demonstrably does right now.

Gtow some balls, woman.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are one ignorant tw0t who can only dream about having some balls.</p>
<p>Michael Griffin is the worst administrator of NASA ever, and has done more damage to the reputation of NASA than any other administrator in US history.</p>
<p>Apollo was one of the only good things that happened to America in the 60s and 70s, and possies like you couldn&#8217;t take down a sitting US president or overturn the established authority of the United States of America if your life depended on it, which it demonstrably does right now.</p>
<p>Gtow some balls, woman.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[heh .. finally someone with a voice in space industry having balls ( or naivete ) to imply that Apollo _may_ have been damaging to the concept of being spacefaring.
I wish Griffins actions followed more closely his words, and he would cancel his plans to implement VSE as Apollo on streroids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh .. finally someone with a voice in space industry having balls ( or naivete ) to imply that Apollo _may_ have been damaging to the concept of being spacefaring.<br />
I wish Griffins actions followed more closely his words, and he would cancel his plans to implement VSE as Apollo on streroids.</p>
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		<title>By: gm</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gm]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 15:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[if Mr. Griffin thinks that (despite the four years delay in the develpment of the 25 mT payload Long March 5 rocket) China (and, maybe, also India) will beat U.S. in the (new) moon race (and I agree with him that this might happen) it&#039;s unclear to me WHY his ESAS rockets/missions&#039; architecture choice has been (and still is) the longer and most expensive possible (mainly due to the new SRB-5 and J-2X) with a waste of eight years and $10 Bn (NASA) to $14.4 Bn (GAO) ONLY to develop the Ares-1 (that, as explained on my ghostNASA.com blog, could not work)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if Mr. Griffin thinks that (despite the four years delay in the develpment of the 25 mT payload Long March 5 rocket) China (and, maybe, also India) will beat U.S. in the (new) moon race (and I agree with him that this might happen) it&#8217;s unclear to me WHY his ESAS rockets/missions&#8217; architecture choice has been (and still is) the longer and most expensive possible (mainly due to the new SRB-5 and J-2X) with a waste of eight years and $10 Bn (NASA) to $14.4 Bn (GAO) ONLY to develop the Ares-1 (that, as explained on my ghostNASA.com blog, could not work)</p>
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