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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferris Valyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

Perhaps from the campaign debate at ISDC

From your report about ISDC

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1142/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;He also said Obama would create a â€œsupportive environment for scientific research and space explorationâ€ in the public and private sectors, â€œincluding the new generation of entrepreneurs who are interested in space exploration.â€&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

That, combined with Obama&#039;s comments about determining real benefits, which he&#039;s said some variation on multiple times, is my bet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Perhaps from the campaign debate at ISDC</p>
<p>From your report about ISDC</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1142/1" rel="nofollow"><br />
<blockquote>He also said Obama would create a â€œsupportive environment for scientific research and space explorationâ€ in the public and private sectors, â€œincluding the new generation of entrepreneurs who are interested in space exploration.â€</p></blockquote>
<p></a></p>
<p>That, combined with Obama&#8217;s comments about determining real benefits, which he&#8217;s said some variation on multiple times, is my bet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Foust</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff Foust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Al: I did notice that phrasing, but could not find the campaign statement that the editorial was referring to. Do you (or anyone else) have a reference?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Al: I did notice that phrasing, but could not find the campaign statement that the editorial was referring to. Do you (or anyone else) have a reference?</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Jeff,

I think you missed a very interesting piece of news that was part of the LA Times editorial.  It says at the very end:

&lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;Yet it&#039;s Obama who is sounding like the more realistic, market-oriented candidate. His campaign said recently that Obama hopes to&lt;/b&gt; enhance NASA&#039;s role &quot;in confronting the challenges we face here on Earth, including global climate change&quot; and &quot;to reach out and include international partners and &lt;b&gt;engage the private sector to increase NASA&#039;s reach and provide real public economic benefits for the nation.&quot;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

FWIW,

- Al

&quot;Politics is not rocket science, which is why rocket scientists do not understand politics.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>I think you missed a very interesting piece of news that was part of the LA Times editorial.  It says at the very end:</p>
<p><i><b>Yet it&#8217;s Obama who is sounding like the more realistic, market-oriented candidate. His campaign said recently that Obama hopes to</b> enhance NASA&#8217;s role &#8220;in confronting the challenges we face here on Earth, including global climate change&#8221; and &#8220;to reach out and include international partners and <b>engage the private sector to increase NASA&#8217;s reach and provide real public economic benefits for the nation.&#8221;</b></i></p>
<p>FWIW,</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
<p>&#8220;Politics is not rocket science, which is why rocket scientists do not understand politics.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Links - July 23rd &#171; The Four Part Land</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Daily Links - July 23rd &#171; The Four Part Land]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 01:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dave Huntsman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave Huntsman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 17:10:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the possible interest of the public in space solar power is being underestimated.  After 33 years in NASA, my banker sister in Silicon Valley - her specialty is failed banks, businesses, etc. - only gets excited about space when the subject of power beaming from space comes up. In fact, when we see each other, if I don&#039;t bring it up, she does:  &quot;How&#039;s that going? Is there ANY  movement on it, by anybody??&quot;. It&#039;s the only thing space-related in decades she&#039;s ever gotten excited about and never lets go.

Glenn Smith&#039;s proposal to somehow use the ISS to actually get a demo of space solar power done - so that we&#039;ve got more than just paper studies to point to - is generically right on; in fact, the National Security Space Office SSP Cadets have been trying to get NASA interested in exactly that.  I think that an easier thing to get done is to first use already-in place - or about to be in-place - ISS assets to do a proof of concept with the one other country that has its own SSP Cadets:  and that&#039;s Japan.  In fact, in some facets of space solar power, the Japanese Aerospace Research and Development Agency has done more work than the U.S. has.  

One logical - and, cheap - first joint demo:  make use of already-paid for Japanese assets - the Japanese external facility on ISS, and the H-2 Transfer Vehicle - to do a demo of real power beaming and use.  The external  facility on ISS, and the development and flying the HTV, are already &#039;paid for&#039;; they don&#039;t have to be developed; as is the huge power output from the large ISS solar panels. For a meaningful demo, &quot;all&quot;  that would have to be paid for is  the interface electronics and transmitter placed on the Japanese exposed facility. The HTV - whose development and first several trips have already been &#039;paid for&#039; - could be fitted with a receiver, converter and interface electronics for its own systems.

The HTV flight selected could then come to the ISS and deliver its cargo, per the already agreed process; be loaded with trash, and leave ISS. But then, the solar power demo would come in:  using the ISS&#039;s vast arrays as a power source, power could be beamed from the Japanese exposed facility to the free-flying, trash-laden HTV, which would then disconnect it&#039;s own power source and do a series of maneuvers solely on transmitted power.  

The &#039;down side&#039; is that this would not be a space-to-ground system demo.  But we don&#039;t have that now, anyway. What it would do is demonstrate a practical possibility for how solar cells collecting power one place can transmit that power and effectively use it in another place.  And it would not require a single new flight of any vehicle; rather, it would make use of tens of billions of dollars of already paid for space assets put together by many countries.  It would be the cheapest way to do a highly visible demo.

Insisting on a space-to-ground demo as the sole first step is not necessary; and in fact, it may be insisting on too big a step all at once.  Our Japanese friends already have a built-in cadre of space solar power enthusiasts; and I think they could be persuaded to join the U.S. in using the Japanese external facility, the HTV, and the ISS for a real (and relatively cheap) operational demo.  And the U.S. here could be three agencies:  DOD/NSSO, Department of Agency, and NASA, further lowering the cost to each.

Or, put another way: if the two most pro-space solar power countries can&#039;t even get a simple demo like that done - using already-developed billion-dollar assets - than wishful thinking on an even more expensive first step is just that.
Let&#039;s get a real demo done sooner, not later.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the possible interest of the public in space solar power is being underestimated.  After 33 years in NASA, my banker sister in Silicon Valley &#8211; her specialty is failed banks, businesses, etc. &#8211; only gets excited about space when the subject of power beaming from space comes up. In fact, when we see each other, if I don&#8217;t bring it up, she does:  &#8220;How&#8217;s that going? Is there ANY  movement on it, by anybody??&#8221;. It&#8217;s the only thing space-related in decades she&#8217;s ever gotten excited about and never lets go.</p>
<p>Glenn Smith&#8217;s proposal to somehow use the ISS to actually get a demo of space solar power done &#8211; so that we&#8217;ve got more than just paper studies to point to &#8211; is generically right on; in fact, the National Security Space Office SSP Cadets have been trying to get NASA interested in exactly that.  I think that an easier thing to get done is to first use already-in place &#8211; or about to be in-place &#8211; ISS assets to do a proof of concept with the one other country that has its own SSP Cadets:  and that&#8217;s Japan.  In fact, in some facets of space solar power, the Japanese Aerospace Research and Development Agency has done more work than the U.S. has.  </p>
<p>One logical &#8211; and, cheap &#8211; first joint demo:  make use of already-paid for Japanese assets &#8211; the Japanese external facility on ISS, and the H-2 Transfer Vehicle &#8211; to do a demo of real power beaming and use.  The external  facility on ISS, and the development and flying the HTV, are already &#8216;paid for'; they don&#8217;t have to be developed; as is the huge power output from the large ISS solar panels. For a meaningful demo, &#8220;all&#8221;  that would have to be paid for is  the interface electronics and transmitter placed on the Japanese exposed facility. The HTV &#8211; whose development and first several trips have already been &#8216;paid for&#8217; &#8211; could be fitted with a receiver, converter and interface electronics for its own systems.</p>
<p>The HTV flight selected could then come to the ISS and deliver its cargo, per the already agreed process; be loaded with trash, and leave ISS. But then, the solar power demo would come in:  using the ISS&#8217;s vast arrays as a power source, power could be beamed from the Japanese exposed facility to the free-flying, trash-laden HTV, which would then disconnect it&#8217;s own power source and do a series of maneuvers solely on transmitted power.  </p>
<p>The &#8216;down side&#8217; is that this would not be a space-to-ground system demo.  But we don&#8217;t have that now, anyway. What it would do is demonstrate a practical possibility for how solar cells collecting power one place can transmit that power and effectively use it in another place.  And it would not require a single new flight of any vehicle; rather, it would make use of tens of billions of dollars of already paid for space assets put together by many countries.  It would be the cheapest way to do a highly visible demo.</p>
<p>Insisting on a space-to-ground demo as the sole first step is not necessary; and in fact, it may be insisting on too big a step all at once.  Our Japanese friends already have a built-in cadre of space solar power enthusiasts; and I think they could be persuaded to join the U.S. in using the Japanese external facility, the HTV, and the ISS for a real (and relatively cheap) operational demo.  And the U.S. here could be three agencies:  DOD/NSSO, Department of Agency, and NASA, further lowering the cost to each.</p>
<p>Or, put another way: if the two most pro-space solar power countries can&#8217;t even get a simple demo like that done &#8211; using already-developed billion-dollar assets &#8211; than wishful thinking on an even more expensive first step is just that.<br />
Let&#8217;s get a real demo done sooner, not later.</p>
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