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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-146959</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m seriously disheartened by the lack of knowledge on our space industry and just who it was who killed our space program. LBJ and his team killed our space program and turned it into a private pork project for Congress, the Senate and the Presidents. The Space Treaty killed any real incentive for extensive space exploration.

LBJ was by far the worst President for space we&#039;ve had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seriously disheartened by the lack of knowledge on our space industry and just who it was who killed our space program. LBJ and his team killed our space program and turned it into a private pork project for Congress, the Senate and the Presidents. The Space Treaty killed any real incentive for extensive space exploration.</p>
<p>LBJ was by far the worst President for space we&#8217;ve had.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Fulda</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-84458</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Fulda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a retired political scientist and life-long space advocate, with some
experience in fashioning presidential campaign space policies, I am
delighted that the Obama campaign has produced a comprehensive
space policy relatively early in the campaign calendar. Previous space
pronouncements were snippets developed by a skeletal primary
campaign issue staff with little policy or budgetary guidance. This
is now the real thing, the policy declaration of the Obama campaign
fashioned, one presumes, with the blessing of the candidate and the National Democratic Party, including its key constituents at the congressional level.

The Obama space policy is a comprehensive civilian space policy
referenced to national security space and  foreign policies, and science and technology and science education policies. The civilian space policy
budget assumes filibuster proof- Democratic party control of congress, a speedy end to the Iraq war and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts. The Obama space policy could have been written by a consensus of pro-space organizations (Lagrange points, indeed!) Bravo, Lori and colleagues. This triumph should make up for the heartache of not being able to raise the money to hitch a ride on the Soyuz…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a retired political scientist and life-long space advocate, with some<br />
experience in fashioning presidential campaign space policies, I am<br />
delighted that the Obama campaign has produced a comprehensive<br />
space policy relatively early in the campaign calendar. Previous space<br />
pronouncements were snippets developed by a skeletal primary<br />
campaign issue staff with little policy or budgetary guidance. This<br />
is now the real thing, the policy declaration of the Obama campaign<br />
fashioned, one presumes, with the blessing of the candidate and the National Democratic Party, including its key constituents at the congressional level.</p>
<p>The Obama space policy is a comprehensive civilian space policy<br />
referenced to national security space and  foreign policies, and science and technology and science education policies. The civilian space policy<br />
budget assumes filibuster proof- Democratic party control of congress, a speedy end to the Iraq war and the repeal of the Bush tax cuts. The Obama space policy could have been written by a consensus of pro-space organizations (Lagrange points, indeed!) Bravo, Lori and colleagues. This triumph should make up for the heartache of not being able to raise the money to hitch a ride on the Soyuz…</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/17/obamas-detailed-space-policy/comment-page-1/#comment-78210</link>
		<dc:creator>Al Fansome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)”

JOHN:&lt;i&gt;She initially fought like hell against it since it was not a NASA program (it was an evil DoD thing)&lt;/i&gt;

Please be more specific, and provide some specific DATA to back up your assertion.  What did she do (to fight against it), when did she do it?  References would be nice.

“In God we trust; all others must bring data.” — W. Edwards Deming

The data I see is in conflict with your assertions.  In this April 1994 Space Access update here:

http://www.islandone.org/SpaceAccessUpdates/940405-SAU33.html

&quot;Meanwhile, we hear the National Space Society (NSS) has sent out a letter to all their members asking for donations for an effort to promote SSTO. They too are now saying a lot of the right things about what&#039;s wrong with US space launch policy, and are proposing to do some fairly useful things in the way of advancing SSTO.&quot;

FWIW,

- Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)”</p>
<p>JOHN:<i>She initially fought like hell against it since it was not a NASA program (it was an evil DoD thing)</i></p>
<p>Please be more specific, and provide some specific DATA to back up your assertion.  What did she do (to fight against it), when did she do it?  References would be nice.</p>
<p>“In God we trust; all others must bring data.” — W. Edwards Deming</p>
<p>The data I see is in conflict with your assertions.  In this April 1994 Space Access update here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.islandone.org/SpaceAccessUpdates/940405-SAU33.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.islandone.org/SpaceAccessUpdates/940405-SAU33.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Meanwhile, we hear the National Space Society (NSS) has sent out a letter to all their members asking for donations for an effort to promote SSTO. They too are now saying a lot of the right things about what&#8217;s wrong with US space launch policy, and are proposing to do some fairly useful things in the way of advancing SSTO.&#8221;</p>
<p>FWIW,</p>
<p>- Al</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Links - August 20th, Part 2 &#171; The Four Part Land</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Links - August 20th, Part 2 &#171; The Four Part Land</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 02:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rand Simberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;While she was head of the NSS it became the “NASA Space Society” which is why competing organizations like the Space Frontier Society saw their membership levels increase.&lt;/em&gt;

It was like that pre-Lori as well.  L-5 was pretty quickly digested by NSI in the merger, and the purpose of NSI was always to build public support for NASA.  She was just doing what the board wanted her to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>While she was head of the NSS it became the “NASA Space Society” which is why competing organizations like the Space Frontier Society saw their membership levels increase.</em></p>
<p>It was like that pre-Lori as well.  L-5 was pretty quickly digested by NSI in the merger, and the purpose of NSI was always to build public support for NASA.  She was just doing what the board wanted her to do.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)&quot;

She initially fought like hell against it since it was not a NASA program (it was an evil DoD thing) and then bowed in and joined it. While she was head of the NSS it became the &quot;NASA Space Society&quot; which is why competing organizations like the Space Frontier Society saw their membership levels increase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)&#8221;</p>
<p>She initially fought like hell against it since it was not a NASA program (it was an evil DoD thing) and then bowed in and joined it. While she was head of the NSS it became the &#8220;NASA Space Society&#8221; which is why competing organizations like the Space Frontier Society saw their membership levels increase.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Hartnett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm Hartnett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A brief Bio of Ms. Garver, since there doesn’t seem to be one on the web.

1983 Bachelors degree in Political Science and Economics from Colorado College
1989 Masters degree in Science, Technology, and Public Policy from the George Washington University 
1987 Ms. Garver was the Executive Director of the National Space Society, a space advocacy organization. As Executive Director, she served as the organizations&#039; primary spokesperson, appearing on national television and regularly testifying on Capitol Hill.
President of Women in Aerospace.
1996 Special Assistant to Dan Goldin, the NASA Administrator.
1996 Ms. Garver served as a Senior Policy Analyst for the Office of Policy and Plans 1998 Until January 2001 Ms. Garver was the Associate Administrator for Policy and Plans at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), where she oversaw the analysis, development, and integration of NASA policies and long-range plans, the NASA Strategic Management System, the NASA Advisory Council, and History Division.
2000 Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Colorado College
Founder and President of Capital Space LLC, a Virginia-based consulting firm
President of the American Astronautical Association
2001 Astro-Mom http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1003/1
2001 – 2003 Affiliated with DFI International as Director of Space Program Development and later VP of DFI Corporate Services
2003 Senior Advisor for Space at The Avascent Group, a strategic consulting firm
2008 Advisor to the Secure World Foundation. http://www.secureworldfoundation.org

This doesn’t include her political activism that dates back to Senator Glenn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A brief Bio of Ms. Garver, since there doesn’t seem to be one on the web.</p>
<p>1983 Bachelors degree in Political Science and Economics from Colorado College<br />
1989 Masters degree in Science, Technology, and Public Policy from the George Washington University<br />
1987 Ms. Garver was the Executive Director of the National Space Society, a space advocacy organization. As Executive Director, she served as the organizations&#8217; primary spokesperson, appearing on national television and regularly testifying on Capitol Hill.<br />
President of Women in Aerospace.<br />
1996 Special Assistant to Dan Goldin, the NASA Administrator.<br />
1996 Ms. Garver served as a Senior Policy Analyst for the Office of Policy and Plans 1998 Until January 2001 Ms. Garver was the Associate Administrator for Policy and Plans at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA), where she oversaw the analysis, development, and integration of NASA policies and long-range plans, the NASA Strategic Management System, the NASA Advisory Council, and History Division.<br />
2000 Honorary Doctorate of Laws from Colorado College<br />
Founder and President of Capital Space LLC, a Virginia-based consulting firm<br />
President of the American Astronautical Association<br />
2001 Astro-Mom <a href="http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1003/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1003/1</a><br />
2001 – 2003 Affiliated with DFI International as Director of Space Program Development and later VP of DFI Corporate Services<br />
2003 Senior Advisor for Space at The Avascent Group, a strategic consulting firm<br />
2008 Advisor to the Secure World Foundation. <a href="http://www.secureworldfoundation.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.secureworldfoundation.org</a></p>
<p>This doesn’t include her political activism that dates back to Senator Glenn.</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
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		<dc:creator>Al Fansome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Factchecker,

Thanks for adding some facts.  Ms. Garver also persuaded Dan Goldin to support CATS, as well as to say he would &quot;hand off the keys to LEO to private industry&quot;.

I think this is a pretty amazing 6-page policy document, and if it is true that Lori persuaded Obama to approve it -- then bully for her.  We should all thank her.  It is also says something about Sen. Obama that he listened to her.

Too bad that none of the many Republican space advocates have gotten to John McCain.  I can assure you that it is not for a lack of trying.  I do hope that somebody -- from the pro-space-commerce community -- gets to Sen. McCain soon.  

I never would have predicted, a year ago, that it would be the Democratic candidate for POTUS that was the most overt champion of ORS, COTS, and space privatization.

For those Republican policy professionals -- instead of whining about Obama -- spend your valuable time now getting to McCain &amp; Team, and pointing out that he is letting the Democrat beat him to the punch on policy issues that he should own.

FWIW,

- Al</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Factchecker,</p>
<p>Thanks for adding some facts.  Ms. Garver also persuaded Dan Goldin to support CATS, as well as to say he would &#8220;hand off the keys to LEO to private industry&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think this is a pretty amazing 6-page policy document, and if it is true that Lori persuaded Obama to approve it &#8212; then bully for her.  We should all thank her.  It is also says something about Sen. Obama that he listened to her.</p>
<p>Too bad that none of the many Republican space advocates have gotten to John McCain.  I can assure you that it is not for a lack of trying.  I do hope that somebody &#8212; from the pro-space-commerce community &#8212; gets to Sen. McCain soon.  </p>
<p>I never would have predicted, a year ago, that it would be the Democratic candidate for POTUS that was the most overt champion of ORS, COTS, and space privatization.</p>
<p>For those Republican policy professionals &#8212; instead of whining about Obama &#8212; spend your valuable time now getting to McCain &amp; Team, and pointing out that he is letting the Democrat beat him to the punch on policy issues that he should own.</p>
<p>FWIW,</p>
<p>- Al</p>
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		<title>By: factchecker</title>
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		<dc:creator>factchecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 00:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm... same Lori Garver that was at NSS for 13 years?  As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)... NSS is one of the groups most supportive of commercial space.  Her NASA job from the mid-&#039;90&#039;s to when Bush came in was also largely supporting commercial space and RLV&#039;s.  She testified on the Hill a couple times supporting govt. guaranteed loans for RLV&#039;s, supported Rotary, Beal, Kistler, Kelly etc.  Her office initiated Alt Access, drafted the prize legislation which now allows for Centenial Challenges and her early portfolio at the NASA policy office was all commercial space.  She obviously got supportive language in the Obama policy about COTS, prizes and ORS, so you must be referencing a different Lori Garver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230; same Lori Garver that was at NSS for 13 years?  As I recall, she was a huge champion of DC-X (took her 1 year old son to the launch 15 years ago)&#8230; NSS is one of the groups most supportive of commercial space.  Her NASA job from the mid-&#8217;90&#8217;s to when Bush came in was also largely supporting commercial space and RLV&#8217;s.  She testified on the Hill a couple times supporting govt. guaranteed loans for RLV&#8217;s, supported Rotary, Beal, Kistler, Kelly etc.  Her office initiated Alt Access, drafted the prize legislation which now allows for Centenial Challenges and her early portfolio at the NASA policy office was all commercial space.  She obviously got supportive language in the Obama policy about COTS, prizes and ORS, so you must be referencing a different Lori Garver.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2008 22:21:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no...Lori Garver is his advisor. Bully for her, I suppose, but IIRC she is very pro-status quo as regards NASA, and she fought *against* RLV systems in the 1990s and *against* broader space commercialization outside of NASA&#039;s sphere of influence. Not much innovation there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no&#8230;Lori Garver is his advisor. Bully for her, I suppose, but IIRC she is very pro-status quo as regards NASA, and she fought *against* RLV systems in the 1990s and *against* broader space commercialization outside of NASA&#8217;s sphere of influence. Not much innovation there.</p>
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