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		<title>By: The Daily Links - August 27th &#171; The Four Part Land</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-86017</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Daily Links - August 27th &#171; The Four Part Land]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Space Politics Â» News from the convention [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck2200</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck2200]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted Kennedyâ€™s reference to the Apollo program should be understood metaphorically. Notice he said: 

[quote]â€We are told that Barack Obama believes too much in an America of high principle and bold endeavor, but when John Kennedy called of going to the moon, he didnâ€™t say itâ€™s too far to get there. We shouldnâ€™t even try.â€[/quote]

He was using the Apollo effort to describe how the American people were willing to rise to the challenge to go and do something that was truly hard to do. When he said â€œwe can do it againâ€, he wasnâ€™t speaking about going back to the moon, he was speaking of the people being willing to roll up their sleeves and work at something truly hard. It was a tribute to the American spirit under the leadership of someone who can inspire them, something which George Bush has never done, and which he believes John McCain is also incapable of. His speech was about Barak Obama, not the Apollo program.

Donâ€™t read too much into what Ted said; he is well known for his metaphorical references. This is one of them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Kennedyâ€™s reference to the Apollo program should be understood metaphorically. Notice he said: </p>
<p>[quote]â€We are told that Barack Obama believes too much in an America of high principle and bold endeavor, but when John Kennedy called of going to the moon, he didnâ€™t say itâ€™s too far to get there. We shouldnâ€™t even try.â€[/quote]</p>
<p>He was using the Apollo effort to describe how the American people were willing to rise to the challenge to go and do something that was truly hard to do. When he said â€œwe can do it againâ€, he wasnâ€™t speaking about going back to the moon, he was speaking of the people being willing to roll up their sleeves and work at something truly hard. It was a tribute to the American spirit under the leadership of someone who can inspire them, something which George Bush has never done, and which he believes John McCain is also incapable of. His speech was about Barak Obama, not the Apollo program.</p>
<p>Donâ€™t read too much into what Ted said; he is well known for his metaphorical references. This is one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous.space</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85645</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 05:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I believe that Ted was the guy directly responsible for cancelling the two or three Apollo missions that were still planned after 17 as of early 1969. I recall hearing that heâ€™d killed them just a few weeks before 11 lifted off.&quot;

Huh?

NASA cancelled Apollo 20 in January 1970 and Apollo 18 and 19 in September 1970, seven months and more than a year, respectively, after (not a few weeks before) Apollo 11 in July 1969.

And Ted Kennedy has held his Senate seat since 1962.  He never held an Executive Branch position where he could singlehandedly cancel a NASA program.  Are you confusing Ted with Robert Kennedy?

C&#039;mon guys...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I believe that Ted was the guy directly responsible for cancelling the two or three Apollo missions that were still planned after 17 as of early 1969. I recall hearing that heâ€™d killed them just a few weeks before 11 lifted off.&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh?</p>
<p>NASA cancelled Apollo 20 in January 1970 and Apollo 18 and 19 in September 1970, seven months and more than a year, respectively, after (not a few weeks before) Apollo 11 in July 1969.</p>
<p>And Ted Kennedy has held his Senate seat since 1962.  He never held an Executive Branch position where he could singlehandedly cancel a NASA program.  Are you confusing Ted with Robert Kennedy?</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon guys&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles Lurio</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85607</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charles Lurio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that Ted was the guy directly responsible for cancelling the two or three Apollo missions that were still planned after 17 as of early 1969.  I recall hearing that he&#039;d killed them just a few weeks before 11 lifted off.

JFK had not much more interest in space per se (if any) than his brother(s) ever did.  He told his advisors something like,  &quot;we all know Apollo is a waste of money [compared to the social programs we should really be doing] but the American people are demanding a response to the Russians...&quot;

(And yes, I&#039;m sorry that Ted is so ill...but he has a seat for life, no matter how long that turns out to be. And not only do we have an all-Democrat Congressional delegation and Governor, but hardly any Republicans in the &#039;Great and General Court&#039; - the state legislature.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Ted was the guy directly responsible for cancelling the two or three Apollo missions that were still planned after 17 as of early 1969.  I recall hearing that he&#8217;d killed them just a few weeks before 11 lifted off.</p>
<p>JFK had not much more interest in space per se (if any) than his brother(s) ever did.  He told his advisors something like,  &#8220;we all know Apollo is a waste of money [compared to the social programs we should really be doing] but the American people are demanding a response to the Russians&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>(And yes, I&#8217;m sorry that Ted is so ill&#8230;but he has a seat for life, no matter how long that turns out to be. And not only do we have an all-Democrat Congressional delegation and Governor, but hardly any Republicans in the &#8216;Great and General Court&#8217; &#8211; the state legislature.)</p>
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		<title>By: anonymous.space</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85598</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[anonymous.space]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Actually Teddy Kennedy could care less about Apollo as an accomplishment in and of itself.&quot;

How do you know?  Evidence?

&quot;For him, Apollo is a metaphor for what he considers the real work of government, which is providing health care and other goodies to everyone, at the cost of freedom and, of course, very high taxes.&quot;

You actually know that inside Kennedy&#039;s mind, he thinks of Apollo in metaphorical terms for government programs?

Weird...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Actually Teddy Kennedy could care less about Apollo as an accomplishment in and of itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>How do you know?  Evidence?</p>
<p>&#8220;For him, Apollo is a metaphor for what he considers the real work of government, which is providing health care and other goodies to everyone, at the cost of freedom and, of course, very high taxes.&#8221;</p>
<p>You actually know that inside Kennedy&#8217;s mind, he thinks of Apollo in metaphorical terms for government programs?</p>
<p>Weird&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 02:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that the troll Elifritz has come up with yet another pseudonym.  Now it&#039;s &quot;Engineering Lead.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that the troll Elifritz has come up with yet another pseudonym.  Now it&#8217;s &#8220;Engineering Lead.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Engineering Lead</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85459</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Engineering Lead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;That is by far the most likely outcome, which is why there should be no backsliding on the retirement of the Shuttle.&quot;

&quot;The letter also calls for speeding the creation of a robust commercial US spaceflight Industry. Sounds like a call for funding COTS-D to me.&quot;

These two goals may sound mutually conflicting in the light of the problems with Ares and Orion (or equivalently Constellation as a whole) but it doesn&#039;t necessarily have to be that way. Cancel Constellation, and use the Shuttle to transition to a RATIONAL second generation vehicle, using the SSMEs.

That way, everybody wins, and we&#039;ll be all the way to Phobos, Deimos and Ceres by 2020, bypassing the Moon and Mars entirely. Ares I is DEAD.

Anyone who thinks Constellation isn&#039;t dead will soon get their reality check.

I&#039;m guessing the color of that check will be pink. Patience for Griffin is thin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That is by far the most likely outcome, which is why there should be no backsliding on the retirement of the Shuttle.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The letter also calls for speeding the creation of a robust commercial US spaceflight Industry. Sounds like a call for funding COTS-D to me.&#8221;</p>
<p>These two goals may sound mutually conflicting in the light of the problems with Ares and Orion (or equivalently Constellation as a whole) but it doesn&#8217;t necessarily have to be that way. Cancel Constellation, and use the Shuttle to transition to a RATIONAL second generation vehicle, using the SSMEs.</p>
<p>That way, everybody wins, and we&#8217;ll be all the way to Phobos, Deimos and Ceres by 2020, bypassing the Moon and Mars entirely. Ares I is DEAD.</p>
<p>Anyone who thinks Constellation isn&#8217;t dead will soon get their reality check.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing the color of that check will be pink. Patience for Griffin is thin.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85429</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Donald,

The letter also calls for speeding the creation of a robust commercial US spaceflight Industry. Sounds like a call for funding COTS-D to me :-)

And this is in a letter to the president requesting action, not a mere campiagn document...

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donald,</p>
<p>The letter also calls for speeding the creation of a robust commercial US spaceflight Industry. Sounds like a call for funding COTS-D to me <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>And this is in a letter to the president requesting action, not a mere campiagn document&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85393</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[MrEarl:  &lt;i&gt; I fear what will most likely happen is that the mission of the shuttle will be extended past 2010 without any additional funding essentially starving both COTS and Orian not to mention the rest of NASA.&lt;/i&gt;

That is by far the most likely outcome, which is why there should be no backsliding on the retirement of the Shuttle.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MrEarl:  <i> I fear what will most likely happen is that the mission of the shuttle will be extended past 2010 without any additional funding essentially starving both COTS and Orian not to mention the rest of NASA.</i></p>
<p>That is by far the most likely outcome, which is why there should be no backsliding on the retirement of the Shuttle.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: MrEarl</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/08/26/news-from-the-convention/#comment-85285</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrEarl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just published on NASA Watch is reference to a letter sent to President Bush asking NASA to take no action that would preclude the use of the shuttle for one year.  http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf  
This was sent by senator&#039;s McCain, Hutchinson and Vitter.
This was brought about by Russia&#039;s actions in Georgia and the congress&#039;s and many others beliefs, that Russia can no longer be thought of as a reliable ally with the ISS.  
That would make the most sense in light of what has just happened.  I would hope that we could keep the shuttle operating at two flights a year until the Orian space craft is ready or preferably COTS - D can provide human access to the space station.  I fear what will most likely happen is that the mission of the shuttle will be extended past 2010 without any additional funding essentially starving both COTS and Orian not to mention the rest of NASA.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just published on NASA Watch is reference to a letter sent to President Bush asking NASA to take no action that would preclude the use of the shuttle for one year.  <a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/mccain_vitter_hutchison_letter_on_russia_space.pdf</a><br />
This was sent by senator&#8217;s McCain, Hutchinson and Vitter.<br />
This was brought about by Russia&#8217;s actions in Georgia and the congress&#8217;s and many others beliefs, that Russia can no longer be thought of as a reliable ally with the ISS.<br />
That would make the most sense in light of what has just happened.  I would hope that we could keep the shuttle operating at two flights a year until the Orian space craft is ready or preferably COTS &#8211; D can provide human access to the space station.  I fear what will most likely happen is that the mission of the shuttle will be extended past 2010 without any additional funding essentially starving both COTS and Orian not to mention the rest of NASA.</p>
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