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		<title>By: typo</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-114946</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[typo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 17:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;typo: The thing with the Russian planes is that theyâ€™re strategic bombers:&lt;/I&gt;

Red, good thing the US doesn&#039;t also deploy strategic and offensive weapons abroad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>typo: The thing with the Russian planes is that theyâ€™re strategic bombers:</i></p>
<p>Red, good thing the US doesn&#8217;t also deploy strategic and offensive weapons abroad.</p>
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		<title>By: Aremis Asling</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-114830</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aremis Asling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;red and Aremis,

I know the good scenrio, Iâ€™ve written about it. But does Bigelow actually have full fledge contracts already? 

In other words, what happens if we only get the current status quo?
&lt;/i&gt;

I wish I had a more solid lead, but I&#039;ll concede that there aren&#039;t any secure contracts, to my knowledge, for Bigelow.  But there&#039;s definitely interest in space tourism as evidenced by the waiting list for Space Adventures ISS flights.  I think Bigelow is a more solid prospect than you suspect, though I can appreciate your suspicion.  I&#039;m often a bit pessimistic about it with how many times we&#039;ve all be disappointed.

Aremis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>red and Aremis,</p>
<p>I know the good scenrio, Iâ€™ve written about it. But does Bigelow actually have full fledge contracts already? </p>
<p>In other words, what happens if we only get the current status quo?<br />
</i></p>
<p>I wish I had a more solid lead, but I&#8217;ll concede that there aren&#8217;t any secure contracts, to my knowledge, for Bigelow.  But there&#8217;s definitely interest in space tourism as evidenced by the waiting list for Space Adventures ISS flights.  I think Bigelow is a more solid prospect than you suspect, though I can appreciate your suspicion.  I&#8217;m often a bit pessimistic about it with how many times we&#8217;ve all be disappointed.</p>
<p>Aremis</p>
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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; Weldon to &#8220;pull every lever I have&#8221; to block INKSNA waiver extension</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-113775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; Weldon to &#8220;pull every lever I have&#8221; to block INKSNA waiver extension]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 14:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] of Florida&#8217;s congressional delegation, Sen. Bill Nelson, vowed several days ago to make &#8220;a full, true-blue push&#8221; to get legislation extending NASA&#8217;s INSKNA waiver through..., another member has vowed to do everything in his power to stop it. In a statement released Friday, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of Florida&#8217;s congressional delegation, Sen. Bill Nelson, vowed several days ago to make &#8220;a full, true-blue push&#8221; to get legislation extending NASA&#8217;s INSKNA waiver through&#8230;, another member has vowed to do everything in his power to stop it. In a statement released Friday, [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-111985</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferris Valyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 14:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[red and Aremis,

I know the good scenrio, I&#039;ve written about it.  But does Bigelow actually have full fledge contracts already?  

In other words, what happens if we only get the current status quo?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>red and Aremis,</p>
<p>I know the good scenrio, I&#8217;ve written about it.  But does Bigelow actually have full fledge contracts already?  </p>
<p>In other words, what happens if we only get the current status quo?</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-111270</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[red]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[typo: The thing with the Russian planes is that they&#039;re strategic bombers:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160

&quot;Weapons are carried in two internal bays, each capable of holding 20,000 kg (44,400 lb) of free-fall weapons, or a rotary launcher for nuclear missiles.&quot;

I&#039;ll assume that the ones in Venezuela aren&#039;t carrying nukes.  Even if that&#039;s the case, it&#039;s a provocative move, and isn&#039;t going to be seen in a good light in Congress when considering the Monroe Doctrine, or when considering purchase of Soyuz flights.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo: The thing with the Russian planes is that they&#8217;re strategic bombers:</p>
<p>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-160</p>
<p>&#8220;Weapons are carried in two internal bays, each capable of holding 20,000 kg (44,400 lb) of free-fall weapons, or a rotary launcher for nuclear missiles.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll assume that the ones in Venezuela aren&#8217;t carrying nukes.  Even if that&#8217;s the case, it&#8217;s a provocative move, and isn&#8217;t going to be seen in a good light in Congress when considering the Monroe Doctrine, or when considering purchase of Soyuz flights.</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[red]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:03:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ferris: In addition to the possible items Aremis mentioned (Bigelow stations, or European ones, or ISS/MIR style station modules, zero-G manufacturing), consider these possibilities:

- ISS may not retire in 2016, especially if COTS-D is there
- maybe not all 3 competitors would make it
- maybe the competitor flights would be for 2 or 3 crew members, increasing the number of flights (compared to Shuttle)
- if it turns out to be productive, ISS traffic needs per year might increase (eg: for commercial use of the ISS)

- space tourism (to ISS, or just to space, etc)
- new commercial or government human spaceflight roles for COTS-D vehicles (Hubble-style satellite servicing, fuel depot servicing, etc)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferris: In addition to the possible items Aremis mentioned (Bigelow stations, or European ones, or ISS/MIR style station modules, zero-G manufacturing), consider these possibilities:</p>
<p>&#8211; ISS may not retire in 2016, especially if COTS-D is there<br />
&#8211; maybe not all 3 competitors would make it<br />
&#8211; maybe the competitor flights would be for 2 or 3 crew members, increasing the number of flights (compared to Shuttle)<br />
&#8211; if it turns out to be productive, ISS traffic needs per year might increase (eg: for commercial use of the ISS)</p>
<p>&#8211; space tourism (to ISS, or just to space, etc)<br />
&#8211; new commercial or government human spaceflight roles for COTS-D vehicles (Hubble-style satellite servicing, fuel depot servicing, etc)</p>
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		<title>By: Al Fansome</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-110487</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Al Fansome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Orlando Sentinel has acquired a copy of NASA&#039;s congressional talking points.  
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/inksna_extension_paper.pdf

The Sentinel story is very interesting.
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/09/nasa-russia-ess.html

&lt;i&gt;â€œContinuing to fly the space shuttle past 2010 is not the answer to this situation,â€ the paper says. â€œThe Soyuz option is simply the only sure solution â€¦ or else the U.S. has no choice but to de-crew all U.S. astronauts (and de-facto the Canadian, European and Japanese astronauts) from the International Space Station in 2011.â€&lt;/i&gt;

and

&lt;i&gt;&quot;In interviews this week, members of the upcoming shuttle mission to service the Hubble Space telescope said itâ€™s possible to fly a few more shuttle missions safely but not without slowing down development of the next space vehicle.

If America wants a new vehicle, said Commander Scott Altman, &quot;youâ€™re going to have to spend the money to make that happen, which I think is going to take you out of the shuttle business sooner, or else you just never get to the other side.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

All of this suggests that the rumors that Griffin was going to extend the Shuttle program are just that ... rumors.  These official NASA talking points totally undercut any argument for extending Shuttle (beyond another mission or two.)

FWIW,

- Al]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Orlando Sentinel has acquired a copy of NASA&#8217;s congressional talking points.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/inksna_extension_paper.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/files/inksna_extension_paper.pdf</a></p>
<p>The Sentinel story is very interesting.<br />
<a href="http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/09/nasa-russia-ess.html" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/09/nasa-russia-ess.html</a></p>
<p><i>â€œContinuing to fly the space shuttle past 2010 is not the answer to this situation,â€ the paper says. â€œThe Soyuz option is simply the only sure solution â€¦ or else the U.S. has no choice but to de-crew all U.S. astronauts (and de-facto the Canadian, European and Japanese astronauts) from the International Space Station in 2011.â€</i></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><i>&#8220;In interviews this week, members of the upcoming shuttle mission to service the Hubble Space telescope said itâ€™s possible to fly a few more shuttle missions safely but not without slowing down development of the next space vehicle.</p>
<p>If America wants a new vehicle, said Commander Scott Altman, &#8220;youâ€™re going to have to spend the money to make that happen, which I think is going to take you out of the shuttle business sooner, or else you just never get to the other side.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>All of this suggests that the rumors that Griffin was going to extend the Shuttle program are just that &#8230; rumors.  These official NASA talking points totally undercut any argument for extending Shuttle (beyond another mission or two.)</p>
<p>FWIW,</p>
<p>&#8211; Al</p>
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		<title>By: Aremis Asling</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-110464</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aremis Asling]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:22:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ferris, there is already a demonstrated demand for orbital science that could benefit markedly from manned experiments.  Bigelow already has a number of customers.  And if Bigelow doesn&#039;t pull through there may be other avenues for providing orbital facilities.  I&#039;ve also heard of a European inflatable habitat effort and there&#039;s nothing saying someone can&#039;t grab the ISS/Mir-style tin can model and improve upon that.  They may be expensive, but Bigelow&#039;s tentative customer list suggests there&#039;s real ROI at a level necessary to support such projects above and beyond NASA.

The real potential lies in the customers that are looking at shaking out zero-G manufacturing technologies.  I haven&#039;t read into it enough to know what those projcest are or how real the possibilities are, but there are serious clients with serious money taking real looks at the possibilities.

Bigelow has a demonstrated success rate and continues to bask in the glory of two functional modules in orbit.  And the next one, due in 2 1/2-3 years, will be man-rated and commercially available after they clear it.

Will the demand be enough to support three separate vehicles?  It&#039;s really hard to say at this point, but I think between NASA and private space there&#039;s a good case for two.

Aremis]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ferris, there is already a demonstrated demand for orbital science that could benefit markedly from manned experiments.  Bigelow already has a number of customers.  And if Bigelow doesn&#8217;t pull through there may be other avenues for providing orbital facilities.  I&#8217;ve also heard of a European inflatable habitat effort and there&#8217;s nothing saying someone can&#8217;t grab the ISS/Mir-style tin can model and improve upon that.  They may be expensive, but Bigelow&#8217;s tentative customer list suggests there&#8217;s real ROI at a level necessary to support such projects above and beyond NASA.</p>
<p>The real potential lies in the customers that are looking at shaking out zero-G manufacturing technologies.  I haven&#8217;t read into it enough to know what those projcest are or how real the possibilities are, but there are serious clients with serious money taking real looks at the possibilities.</p>
<p>Bigelow has a demonstrated success rate and continues to bask in the glory of two functional modules in orbit.  And the next one, due in 2 1/2-3 years, will be man-rated and commercially available after they clear it.</p>
<p>Will the demand be enough to support three separate vehicles?  It&#8217;s really hard to say at this point, but I think between NASA and private space there&#8217;s a good case for two.</p>
<p>Aremis</p>
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		<title>By: typo</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/09/12/a-full-true-blue-push-for-inksna-waiver/#comment-110277</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[typo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Venezuela is Washington&#039;s backyard, then US military bases/sites in the Stans, Korea, Japa, Turkey, Iraq, Germany, Czech, Poland, etc. are on Russia&#039;s front porch.  More &quot;OMG you can&#039;t do that, only we can do that&quot; faux outrage.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Venezuela is Washington&#8217;s backyard, then US military bases/sites in the Stans, Korea, Japa, Turkey, Iraq, Germany, Czech, Poland, etc. are on Russia&#8217;s front porch.  More &#8220;OMG you can&#8217;t do that, only we can do that&#8221; faux outrage.</p>
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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferris Valyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing I&#039;ve been wondering about - lets assume that NASA funded 3 or so COTS-D proposals, and further guaranteed that it would get out of the owner/operator business of flying people and cargo to the station - we can&#039;t be talking about that many actual flights, and if thats the case, what are the likely hood of most of the companies going belly-up?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I&#8217;ve been wondering about &#8211; lets assume that NASA funded 3 or so COTS-D proposals, and further guaranteed that it would get out of the owner/operator business of flying people and cargo to the station &#8211; we can&#8217;t be talking about that many actual flights, and if thats the case, what are the likely hood of most of the companies going belly-up?</p>
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