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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; Dubious commentaries</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-271177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; Dubious commentaries]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 11:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] year was his NASA promise gained him votes in the critical Central Florida corridor.&#8221; Yet Obama lost Brevard County, the heart of the Space Coast, by 11 percentage points, and it seems unlikely space played a role [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] year was his NASA promise gained him votes in the critical Central Florida corridor.&#8221; Yet Obama lost Brevard County, the heart of the Space Coast, by 11 percentage points, and it seems unlikely space played a role [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: DAVE7007</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-178224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DAVE7007]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:37:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[FIRST OFF....BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA IS THE MOST BACKWARDS REDNECK COUNTIES I HAVE EVER LIVED IN IN MY LIFE....LOL...IT IS TRUE...IT IS FULL OF BACKWARDS FLORIDIANS AND NY TRANSPLANTS..IT HAS THE WORST RESTARUNTS IN THE USA....AND IF YOU EVER VISIT YOU WILL THINK YOU ARE GOING BACK IN TIME TO THE CIVIL WAR DAYS...LOL..ALLS YOU SEE IS BIG TRUCKS AND PEOPLE MISSING TEETH...LOL...IT IS AMAZING TO ME AS THE SPACE CENTER IS HERE AND COCO BEACH...BUT IT IS THE LOCALS THEY ARE WELL...NOT THE BRIGHTEST BULBS ON A TREE....LOL....YOU WILL SEE TRUCKS WITH THE CONFEDERATE FLAG ON IT....LOL...TWISTED AND DUMB....THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THE WORST RESTARUNTS IN THE COUNTRY BUT THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM IS THE WORST IN THE NATION, THAT IS FOR ALL OF FLORIDA...MOST MILITARY BRANCHES WILL NOT EVEN ACCEPT A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA FROM A FLORIDA SCHOOL....THINK ABOUT THAT FOLKS....LOL....THAT IS DUMB WITH A CAPITAL D......]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FIRST OFF&#8230;.BREVARD COUNTY FLORIDA IS THE MOST BACKWARDS REDNECK COUNTIES I HAVE EVER LIVED IN IN MY LIFE&#8230;.LOL&#8230;IT IS TRUE&#8230;IT IS FULL OF BACKWARDS FLORIDIANS AND NY TRANSPLANTS..IT HAS THE WORST RESTARUNTS IN THE USA&#8230;.AND IF YOU EVER VISIT YOU WILL THINK YOU ARE GOING BACK IN TIME TO THE CIVIL WAR DAYS&#8230;LOL..ALLS YOU SEE IS BIG TRUCKS AND PEOPLE MISSING TEETH&#8230;LOL&#8230;IT IS AMAZING TO ME AS THE SPACE CENTER IS HERE AND COCO BEACH&#8230;BUT IT IS THE LOCALS THEY ARE WELL&#8230;NOT THE BRIGHTEST BULBS ON A TREE&#8230;.LOL&#8230;.YOU WILL SEE TRUCKS WITH THE CONFEDERATE FLAG ON IT&#8230;.LOL&#8230;TWISTED AND DUMB&#8230;.THEY NOT ONLY HAVE THE WORST RESTARUNTS IN THE COUNTRY BUT THEIR SCHOOL SYSTEM IS THE WORST IN THE NATION, THAT IS FOR ALL OF FLORIDA&#8230;MOST MILITARY BRANCHES WILL NOT EVEN ACCEPT A HIGH SCHOOL DIPLOMA FROM A FLORIDA SCHOOL&#8230;.THINK ABOUT THAT FOLKS&#8230;.LOL&#8230;.THAT IS DUMB WITH A CAPITAL D&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139618</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m sorry Vladislaw, but I don&#039;t have time to correct all the economic nonsense that you just posted, but I do agree that George Bush was a disaster in terms of spending.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry Vladislaw, but I don&#8217;t have time to correct all the economic nonsense that you just posted, but I do agree that George Bush was a disaster in terms of spending.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139597</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Reagan increased military spending and gave tax cuts to the wealthy. This spending and tax cuts were funded by increasing the national debt, we were told deficits didn&#039;t matter because economic growth would increase the tax revenue to the point deficits would go away on there own.

Reagan increased the national debt and we are still paying about 20-30 billion a year interest on the debt Reagan ran up almost 30 years ago.

Bush 41 called Reagan&#039;s policies &quot;voodoo&quot; economics, but to win the nominiation he had to promise more tax cuts, which he did and funded the military with more national debt. He finally had to renig on his promise and had to raise taxes because he could not sell &quot;deficits don&#039;t matter&quot;. The national debt once again rose and we are still paying interest on that debt.

Bush 43 followed the same reagan pattern and cut taxes on the wealthy, increased military spending and said deficits don&#039;t matter and once again raised the national debt.

Rand said &quot;pumping federal money into a local economy benefits the local economy&quot;

Well what exactly do you think the republicans have been doing for the last 30 years. They have pumped 9 of the 11 trillion dollars in debt into the economy and there is where are growth as come from.

We have a 11 trillion dollar national debt, @ 4% interest debt service is running at about 440 billion dollars a year. 

Of course we all know that just because Bush set a record of never vetoing a single spending bill in his first term as president, it is not the republican president&#039;s fault. Is was not republican Bush 43&#039;s fault, it was not republican Reagan&#039;s fault. The republicans and their policies are absolutely not at fault one bit. It is the democrats. It is always the liberal democrats fault. EVERYONE knows this. Liberal democrats sneak into the white house and hold a gun to the republican president&#039;s head and force them, at gunpoint, to sign EVERY piece of spending that comes out of the liberal congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reagan increased military spending and gave tax cuts to the wealthy. This spending and tax cuts were funded by increasing the national debt, we were told deficits didn&#8217;t matter because economic growth would increase the tax revenue to the point deficits would go away on there own.</p>
<p>Reagan increased the national debt and we are still paying about 20-30 billion a year interest on the debt Reagan ran up almost 30 years ago.</p>
<p>Bush 41 called Reagan&#8217;s policies &#8220;voodoo&#8221; economics, but to win the nominiation he had to promise more tax cuts, which he did and funded the military with more national debt. He finally had to renig on his promise and had to raise taxes because he could not sell &#8220;deficits don&#8217;t matter&#8221;. The national debt once again rose and we are still paying interest on that debt.</p>
<p>Bush 43 followed the same reagan pattern and cut taxes on the wealthy, increased military spending and said deficits don&#8217;t matter and once again raised the national debt.</p>
<p>Rand said &#8220;pumping federal money into a local economy benefits the local economy&#8221;</p>
<p>Well what exactly do you think the republicans have been doing for the last 30 years. They have pumped 9 of the 11 trillion dollars in debt into the economy and there is where are growth as come from.</p>
<p>We have a 11 trillion dollar national debt, @ 4% interest debt service is running at about 440 billion dollars a year. </p>
<p>Of course we all know that just because Bush set a record of never vetoing a single spending bill in his first term as president, it is not the republican president&#8217;s fault. Is was not republican Bush 43&#8217;s fault, it was not republican Reagan&#8217;s fault. The republicans and their policies are absolutely not at fault one bit. It is the democrats. It is always the liberal democrats fault. EVERYONE knows this. Liberal democrats sneak into the white house and hold a gun to the republican president&#8217;s head and force them, at gunpoint, to sign EVERY piece of spending that comes out of the liberal congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139505</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;If it is true that â€œempoweringâ€ the middle class (or even the poor who directly spend all of the money they have) benefits short-term economic activity, than providing Shuttle-related jobs would (and demonstrably does) benefit the local economy.&lt;/em&gt;

Obviously, pumping federal money into a local economy benefits the local economy.  The issue is whether or not it benefits the nation.  Ideally, investments don&#039;t just provide &quot;jobs&quot;--they should generate wealth (or serve some other vital government responsibility, such as defense).  If the government funding is only for job creation, then it&#039;s better left in the hands of those who will use it for wealth creation.  The argument that space spending is intrinsically good because &quot;it is spent here on earth&quot; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96418,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;fallacious&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>If it is true that â€œempoweringâ€ the middle class (or even the poor who directly spend all of the money they have) benefits short-term economic activity, than providing Shuttle-related jobs would (and demonstrably does) benefit the local economy.</em></p>
<p>Obviously, pumping federal money into a local economy benefits the local economy.  The issue is whether or not it benefits the nation.  Ideally, investments don&#8217;t just provide &#8220;jobs&#8221;&#8211;they should generate wealth (or serve some other vital government responsibility, such as defense).  If the government funding is only for job creation, then it&#8217;s better left in the hands of those who will use it for wealth creation.  The argument that space spending is intrinsically good because &#8220;it is spent here on earth&#8221; is <a href="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,96418,00.html" rel="nofollow">fallacious</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Donald F. Robertson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Donald F. Robertson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand, I&#039;d rather you didn&#039;t put words in my mouth.  Actually, Chuck2200&#039;s (excellent) historical analysis does address my comment, albeit indirectly.  If it is true that &quot;empowering&quot; the middle class (or even the poor who directly spend all of the money they have) benefits short-term economic activity, than providing Shuttle-related jobs would (and demonstrably does) benefit the local economy.  Now, a dynamic commercial space industry may or may not benefit the local economy more than the Shuttle program in the long term.  However the people whose jobs would be directly affected by continued government funding of launch activity in Brevard County might be expected to go for the short term benefit of an administration that may be ideologically predisposed to continuing such funding, as opposed to one more ideologically predisposed to the long-term (and at this point largely theoretical) benefits of a dynamic commercial launch industry.  That local voters chose the latter hopefully suggest an admirable willingness to give up their current jobs for the greater good of a dynamic space industry -- but current efforts to keep the Shuttle flying (which I oppose) suggest otherwise.

-- Donald]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, I&#8217;d rather you didn&#8217;t put words in my mouth.  Actually, Chuck2200&#8217;s (excellent) historical analysis does address my comment, albeit indirectly.  If it is true that &#8220;empowering&#8221; the middle class (or even the poor who directly spend all of the money they have) benefits short-term economic activity, than providing Shuttle-related jobs would (and demonstrably does) benefit the local economy.  Now, a dynamic commercial space industry may or may not benefit the local economy more than the Shuttle program in the long term.  However the people whose jobs would be directly affected by continued government funding of launch activity in Brevard County might be expected to go for the short term benefit of an administration that may be ideologically predisposed to continuing such funding, as opposed to one more ideologically predisposed to the long-term (and at this point largely theoretical) benefits of a dynamic commercial launch industry.  That local voters chose the latter hopefully suggest an admirable willingness to give up their current jobs for the greater good of a dynamic space industry &#8212; but current efforts to keep the Shuttle flying (which I oppose) suggest otherwise.</p>
<p>&#8212; Donald</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck2200</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139492</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck2200]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I rest my case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rest my case.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139491</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You can stand by it if you want, but all you did was demonstrate that you don&#039;t understand economics, either.  Or Republicans&#039; economic prescriptions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can stand by it if you want, but all you did was demonstrate that you don&#8217;t understand economics, either.  Or Republicans&#8217; economic prescriptions.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck2200</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2008/11/05/the-vote-on-the-space-coast/#comment-139488</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck2200]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 17:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand, you said &quot;&lt;i&gt;Only to those who donâ€™t understand economics&lt;/i&gt;&quot;, implying that those who don&#039;t agree with your positions don&#039;t understand economics. That was a completely disingenuous statement to make regarding people about whom you know nothing. My post was to that statement and I stand by it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, you said &#8220;<i>Only to those who donâ€™t understand economics</i>&#8220;, implying that those who don&#8217;t agree with your positions don&#8217;t understand economics. That was a completely disingenuous statement to make regarding people about whom you know nothing. My post was to that statement and I stand by it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I believe that he is referring to the Republican brand of economic theory which believes, rightly or wrongly, that concentrating the tax breaks on the captains of industry will result in expanding that industry, resulting in more and higher paying jobs for the middle class. Ronald Reagan referred to it in the vernacular as â€œTrickle-Down Economicsâ€.&lt;/em&gt;

That is not the &quot;Republican brand of economic theory.&quot;  It is the standard caricature of it.  And it does nothing to address either my, or Don&#039;s point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I believe that he is referring to the Republican brand of economic theory which believes, rightly or wrongly, that concentrating the tax breaks on the captains of industry will result in expanding that industry, resulting in more and higher paying jobs for the middle class. Ronald Reagan referred to it in the vernacular as â€œTrickle-Down Economicsâ€.</em></p>
<p>That is not the &#8220;Republican brand of economic theory.&#8221;  It is the standard caricature of it.  And it does nothing to address either my, or Don&#8217;s point.</p>
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