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By: Space Politics » Augustine Commission web site up

Space Politics » Augustine Commission web site up — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 00:12:25 +0000

[…] answers; you can even vote up or down questions and suggestions submitted by others. (Hopefully they don’t get “rickrolled” like another online poll earlier this year about who should be administrator.) The committee also has an account on the […]

By: Al Fansome

Al Fansome — Mon, 12 Jan 2009 17:12:01 +0000

NELLASELIM: As you can see, Senator Bill Nelson wants Obama to retain Griffin for the time being.

Dear NellaSelim,

This is old data, which has been overcome by events. All the recent drama has clearly altered Nelson’s opinion about Griffin.

Instead, Senator Nelson is using his energy to promote Charlie Bolden as Griffin’s replacement.

FWIW,

– Al

By: Ferris Valyn

Ferris Valyn — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 21:07:42 +0000

Even Darksyde on Daily Kos has mix feelings about Griffin, he has both praised and criticized him.
The issue is not and never has been whether Dr. Griffin deserves praise. The issue is whether he deserves to stay at NASA. And Darksyde made very clear his views on that – Griffin needs to go. And I suspect that Stern probably has a similar take on Griffin (although I don’t know). As I said, the issue isn’t whether he deserves praise – the issue is whether he should stay or go.

As for the criticism outside of NASA – no I don’t agree that most of it is from people who have an agenda, at least in the sense of having a personal stake/agenda. If I may quote Rand here

My â€œagendaâ€ that leads me to criticize Griffin is that his plan is a huge waste of my tax dollars, and it wonâ€™t get our species into space in any meaningful way.

I couldn’t have said it better

By: Rand Simberg

Rand Simberg — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 19:11:34 +0000

Much of the criticism of his leadership comes from people outside of NASA who have an agenda like Steve Metschan and Direct 2.0 or JPL, an agency who has had a long history of conflict with NASA management.

My “agenda” that leads me to criticize Griffin is that his plan is a huge waste of my tax dollars, and it won’t get our species into space in any meaningful way.

By: NellaSelim

NellaSelim — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:54:04 +0000

Hey, Ferris. Thanks for explaining Kossacks. While some Kossacks did state other reasons for dismissing Griffin, the overwhelming number of comments on my diary cited the James Hansen/Global Warming affair as the number 1 reason. I have heard from some including you that Griffin has been a terrible admin. Thin Ice provided me with some references to his own work on why he says this. So I would ask you to provide me with references or links to articles or statements that support your opinion. Incidentally, here are some additional links from me to support my argument for retaining Griffin for the time being:

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/news_space_thewritestuff/2008/11/nelson-tells-ob.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/24/opinion/24stern.html?pagewanted=1&_r=2&ref=opinion

As you can see, Senator Bill Nelson wants Obama to retain Griffin for the time being. Dr. Alan Stern, who had a major disagreement with Griffin over the Mars projects cost overruns, still praises Griffin for what he has accomplished. Much of the criticism of his leadership comes from people outside of NASA who have an agenda like Steve Metschan and Direct 2.0 or JPL, an agency who has had a long history of conflict with NASA management. Even Darksyde on Daily Kos has mix feelings about Griffin, he has both praised and criticized him.

By: Michael Mealling

Michael Mealling — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:19:58 +0000

Then there this from earlier in the week:

http://www.opennasa.com/2009/01/08/future-nasa-projects/

The one I created was mostly in response to the NASA one and to point out the silliness of someone having to get OMB to approve the responses (I’m still not clear if the answers were actually provided BY OMB, which would be really sad).

Polls like this are mildly entertaining and can sometimes provide insight into what a communities more motivated (or bored) members. The fact that before Phil Plait’s group found it (and the site is easily hackable, just vote, delete your cookies, and then vote again) Pete Worden and Lori Garver were so high lead me to think that Pete has more brand recognition than he realizes.

By: Ferris Valyn

Ferris Valyn — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:33:53 +0000

RocketScientist – Its a term that refers to people who hang out and comment and blog at Dailykos.

As for many Dkos members (another term meaning the same thing), the reasons for not liking Griffin were varied, but regardless, he needs to go. No doubt Rand can guess my thoughts.

By: RocketScientist

RocketScientist — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:28:23 +0000

“I posted a diary this morning on Daily Kos suggesting that Obama should keep Griffin as NASA administrator at least in the short term”

Why, may I ask? I am not a ‘Kossacks’ and don’t even know what that term means. Can you explain?

I think he has been a terrible NASA administrator, and his “major contribution” – the ARES program, has been and is a disaster (the STS smooth return so far is a credit to his predecessors and the workforce, the COTS also started prior to him)

Frankly, I have no idea what Dr. Griffin acomplished in 4 years. Or before that.

Moreover, the science degrees notwithstanding I am yet to see any operational space system he acomplished.

By: Rand Simberg

Rand Simberg — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 00:03:56 +0000

For someone who is supposedly “censored,” Hansen has certainly made a lot of stupid comments over the years. I’m sure that most Kossacks would oppose Griffin for no other reason than he is a Bush appointee. In fact, it was kind of amusing (and sad) to see so much of the discussion on the web whether he should stay or go quickly devolve to those who supported him or opposed him for no other reason than he was a Bush appointee.

By: NellaSelim

NellaSelim — Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:43:35 +0000

I posted a diary this morning on Daily Kos suggesting that Obama should keep Griffin as NASA administrator at least in the short term. I said this knowing full well most Kossacks would not support him due to his role in censoring James Hansen. I did a poll and almost 80% of respondents would not give him a second chance.