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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; The Senate is more stimulating</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; The Senate is more stimulating]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 12:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the House&#8217;s version of the proposed stimulus package offers only a modest amount for NASA, and none for spaceflight programs, the Senate appears to be in a more generous mood. A Senate [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the House&#8217;s version of the proposed stimulus package offers only a modest amount for NASA, and none for spaceflight programs, the Senate appears to be in a more generous mood. A Senate [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 18:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Seeking more stimulus - Space Politics [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: DaveP</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 12:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well thank God one of our Florida representatives is fighting for the state. She may be new, but if this is a sign that she&#039;s willing to fight for the people in her district, this guy is sure going to vote for her again next time.

The rest of the Florida delegation are suspiciously absent from the proceedings.

Some (cough*Nelson*cough) are completely selling his own electorate down the river to get his golf-buddy Mike (or a simulacrum) back. Way to go; backing the lame horse that can&#039;t successfully get out of the gate! Not to mention also getting in the face of, and annoying the new President, even before he takes office. Brilliant. That&#039;s really going to help Florida! Thanks bub!

Of course, if you sell your own electorate down the river like this, they get a chance to get their own revenge on you a few years later. I will certainly be campaigning for the other guy because of this, and many of my colleagues here agree. Nelson&#039;s next election campaign will come up in 2012, right in the middle of the &#039;gap&#039; when times are worst for this area and everybody will know what he did. He hasn&#039;t got a chance.

I wonder if any of the other delegates will figure out that 6,000 jobs lost around KSC results in 18,000 other related jobs also being lost? It will mean thousands more houses going into foreclosure, so house prices will get slashed yet again on top of the already bad economy. Way to go; the Flori-duh delegation!

I hope they all realize that not one of them won their seats by these sorts of numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well thank God one of our Florida representatives is fighting for the state. She may be new, but if this is a sign that she&#8217;s willing to fight for the people in her district, this guy is sure going to vote for her again next time.</p>
<p>The rest of the Florida delegation are suspiciously absent from the proceedings.</p>
<p>Some (cough*Nelson*cough) are completely selling his own electorate down the river to get his golf-buddy Mike (or a simulacrum) back. Way to go; backing the lame horse that can&#8217;t successfully get out of the gate! Not to mention also getting in the face of, and annoying the new President, even before he takes office. Brilliant. That&#8217;s really going to help Florida! Thanks bub!</p>
<p>Of course, if you sell your own electorate down the river like this, they get a chance to get their own revenge on you a few years later. I will certainly be campaigning for the other guy because of this, and many of my colleagues here agree. Nelson&#8217;s next election campaign will come up in 2012, right in the middle of the &#8216;gap&#8217; when times are worst for this area and everybody will know what he did. He hasn&#8217;t got a chance.</p>
<p>I wonder if any of the other delegates will figure out that 6,000 jobs lost around KSC results in 18,000 other related jobs also being lost? It will mean thousands more houses going into foreclosure, so house prices will get slashed yet again on top of the already bad economy. Way to go; the Flori-duh delegation!</p>
<p>I hope they all realize that not one of them won their seats by these sorts of numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: MajorTom</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 04:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;If $2B is added to the stimulus package towards NASAâ€™s human spaceflight program, it should not be sent to Constellation. $2B would hardly help the Constellation program at all, as even its advocates have said.&quot;

Very true.  Even Griffin now admits that it would take an additional $4 billion to have a hope of accelerating Ares I/Orion operations by one year, from 2016 to 2015.  See (add http://www):

.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6208583.html

Of course, that assumes that GAO&#039;s 2017 projection for J-2X engine availability doesn&#039;t push the whole schedule yet another year to the right.

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If $2B is added to the stimulus package towards NASAâ€™s human spaceflight program, it should not be sent to Constellation. $2B would hardly help the Constellation program at all, as even its advocates have said.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true.  Even Griffin now admits that it would take an additional $4 billion to have a hope of accelerating Ares I/Orion operations by one year, from 2016 to 2015.  See (add <a href="http://www" rel="nofollow">http://www</a>):</p>
<p>.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/6208583.html</p>
<p>Of course, that assumes that GAO&#8217;s 2017 projection for J-2X engine availability doesn&#8217;t push the whole schedule yet another year to the right.</p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[red]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 21:48:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If $2B is added to the stimulus package towards NASA&#039;s human spaceflight program, it should not be sent to Constellation.  $2B would hardly help the Constellation program at all, as even its advocates have said.

$2B would be much better spent on something like COTS-D to encourage U.S. commercial transportation to and from the Space Station.  That might be enough to get 2 or 3 companies to develop such services, compared to possibly completing Constellation a few months earlier (or reducing its delays by that amount, if more delays occur).  This type of commercial transportation is important for long-term economic reasons, as it not only solves NASA&#039;s ISS crew transport problem and generates economic activity while doing so, but it also enables new economic activity like space tourism and Bigelow-style space station development.  Seeing his transportation problem being addressed might also encourage Bigelow to stay on track, helping keep a current business humming along.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If $2B is added to the stimulus package towards NASA&#8217;s human spaceflight program, it should not be sent to Constellation.  $2B would hardly help the Constellation program at all, as even its advocates have said.</p>
<p>$2B would be much better spent on something like COTS-D to encourage U.S. commercial transportation to and from the Space Station.  That might be enough to get 2 or 3 companies to develop such services, compared to possibly completing Constellation a few months earlier (or reducing its delays by that amount, if more delays occur).  This type of commercial transportation is important for long-term economic reasons, as it not only solves NASA&#8217;s ISS crew transport problem and generates economic activity while doing so, but it also enables new economic activity like space tourism and Bigelow-style space station development.  Seeing his transportation problem being addressed might also encourage Bigelow to stay on track, helping keep a current business humming along.</p>
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