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		<title>By: Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Holdren on shuttle, ISS, space councils, Chinese cooperation - Space Politics [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Holdren on shuttle, ISS, space councils, Chinese cooperation &#8211; Space Politics [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: red</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224728</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[red]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 12:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Holdren&#039;s answer on the U.S. human spaceflight gap leaves out an important solution. Obama&#039;s space policy campaign document says:

&quot;Using the Private Sector: Obama will stimulate efforts within the private sector to develop and demonstrate spaceflight capabilities. NASAâ€™s Commercial Orbital Transportation Services is a good model of government/industry collaboration.&quot;

This statement is in the part of the Obama Space Policy document on &quot;Closing the Gap&quot;, so my interpretation is it specifically promises to encourage the private sector to reduce the U.S. human spaceflight &quot;gap&quot; problem, with the current NASA COTS effort as a favored model.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holdren&#8217;s answer on the U.S. human spaceflight gap leaves out an important solution. Obama&#8217;s space policy campaign document says:</p>
<p>&#8220;Using the Private Sector: Obama will stimulate efforts within the private sector to develop and demonstrate spaceflight capabilities. NASAâ€™s Commercial Orbital Transportation Services is a good model of government/industry collaboration.&#8221;</p>
<p>This statement is in the part of the Obama Space Policy document on &#8220;Closing the Gap&#8221;, so my interpretation is it specifically promises to encourage the private sector to reduce the U.S. human spaceflight &#8220;gap&#8221; problem, with the current NASA COTS effort as a favored model.</p>
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		<title>By: stargazer</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stargazer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:38:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It sounds like the Science Advisor is keeping his options wide open when it comes to NASA and its future.  I think the idea of using China as a means of sending US astronauts to the ISS is pretty lame, but they may want to frame that as an option to lure the Chinese into a more cooperative stance on a range of unrelated issues.  Regarding nuclear propulsion, the Administration&#039;s position isn&#039;t grid locked by nuclear opponents.  I am happy to hear that they are willing to reconsider that option.  With reasonable restrictions (e.g. not using it for ground launched boosters) it would clearly make many more things possible for human exploration of the solar system.

A new NASA Administrator is obviously very important.  We need someone with the brains and the background -- and the political heft -- to fight and win the inevitable battles within the Administration and with the Congress, and be a convincing spokesperson to the broad range of scientific and industry constituencies whose support and participation are essential.  This is going to be a tough job to fill.  Not sure Lampson is up to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like the Science Advisor is keeping his options wide open when it comes to NASA and its future.  I think the idea of using China as a means of sending US astronauts to the ISS is pretty lame, but they may want to frame that as an option to lure the Chinese into a more cooperative stance on a range of unrelated issues.  Regarding nuclear propulsion, the Administration&#8217;s position isn&#8217;t grid locked by nuclear opponents.  I am happy to hear that they are willing to reconsider that option.  With reasonable restrictions (e.g. not using it for ground launched boosters) it would clearly make many more things possible for human exploration of the solar system.</p>
<p>A new NASA Administrator is obviously very important.  We need someone with the brains and the background &#8212; and the political heft &#8212; to fight and win the inevitable battles within the Administration and with the Congress, and be a convincing spokesperson to the broad range of scientific and industry constituencies whose support and participation are essential.  This is going to be a tough job to fill.  Not sure Lampson is up to it.</p>
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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; More Holdren comments</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; More Holdren comments]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 10:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] the only publication new presidential science advisor John Holdren talked with this week when he discussed issues like the future of the shuttle and cooperation with China. In an interview with Nature, Holdren addresses that comment by President Obama regarding the [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] the only publication new presidential science advisor John Holdren talked with this week when he discussed issues like the future of the shuttle and cooperation with China. In an interview with Nature, Holdren addresses that comment by President Obama regarding the [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koester</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224084</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Koester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 00:07:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John Cunningham   re: this Administrationâ€™s  anti-nuclear bias

You may have a point, I just wanted to stir the pot myself. If you are correct and the US Govt/NASA never gets this capability up and going and in a technological readiness level 6+ for Nuclear Propulsion &amp; power in space then who will do it?

The private sector SpaceX 2050? or Maybe the Chinese? Any thoughts?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Cunningham   re: this Administrationâ€™s  anti-nuclear bias</p>
<p>You may have a point, I just wanted to stir the pot myself. If you are correct and the US Govt/NASA never gets this capability up and going and in a technological readiness level 6+ for Nuclear Propulsion &amp; power in space then who will do it?</p>
<p>The private sector SpaceX 2050? or Maybe the Chinese? Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: debra sands</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[debra sands]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 23:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so does this mean usa is going to be forth comming with blue prints to 
space ships... like mcdonnell douglas gave blue prints to airships]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so does this mean usa is going to be forth comming with blue prints to<br />
space ships&#8230; like mcdonnell douglas gave blue prints to airships</p>
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		<title>By: John Cunningham</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224078</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 22:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;re-start nuclear propulsion programs like the canceled Prometheus.&quot;

Not when the Administration&#039;s core support base is vehemently anti-nuclear!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;re-start nuclear propulsion programs like the canceled Prometheus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not when the Administration&#8217;s core support base is vehemently anti-nuclear!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mahoney</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224074</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Mahoney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aside from any potential short-term political advantage or disadvantage, anyone who believes that joint space programs with other nations are cheaper than going alone is ignoring history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from any potential short-term political advantage or disadvantage, anyone who believes that joint space programs with other nations are cheaper than going alone is ignoring history.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koester</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/04/08/holdren-on-shuttle-iss-space-councils-chinese-cooperation/#comment-224068</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian Koester]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This &quot;speculation&quot; about China launching US astronauts is very curious...

Either Mr. Holdren is a true free thinker and wants to stir up debate on this idea by floating a balloon (which I think is ok in his role as an advisor - including the geo-engineering stuff) or he is naive in the extreme at the hornets nest he is about to stir up.

Perhaps he is telegraphing President Obama&#039;s intent to re-cast NASA as the leading International agency for space instead of it being a US agency that portrays itself as the Pre-eminent Civilian power in space. This could work into this administrations foreign policy goals and  could serve as a make the ISS cheaper going forward. Is this so bad?

Maybe getting China and India into the Vision for Space Exploration is a good idea? Maybe that will free up enough money to keep Constellation going and to do the moon &quot;right&quot; or re-start nuclear propulsion programs like the canceled Prometheus.

I cannot imagine he means the coming 4-6 year gap but rather the long term - 10-30 years. If he does mean the short term gap, then he musn&#039;t know about ITAR (which alarming given his position) and he is really a free thinker or the other alternative I mentioned above.....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This &#8220;speculation&#8221; about China launching US astronauts is very curious&#8230;</p>
<p>Either Mr. Holdren is a true free thinker and wants to stir up debate on this idea by floating a balloon (which I think is ok in his role as an advisor &#8211; including the geo-engineering stuff) or he is naive in the extreme at the hornets nest he is about to stir up.</p>
<p>Perhaps he is telegraphing President Obama&#8217;s intent to re-cast NASA as the leading International agency for space instead of it being a US agency that portrays itself as the Pre-eminent Civilian power in space. This could work into this administrations foreign policy goals and  could serve as a make the ISS cheaper going forward. Is this so bad?</p>
<p>Maybe getting China and India into the Vision for Space Exploration is a good idea? Maybe that will free up enough money to keep Constellation going and to do the moon &#8220;right&#8221; or re-start nuclear propulsion programs like the canceled Prometheus.</p>
<p>I cannot imagine he means the coming 4-6 year gap but rather the long term &#8211; 10-30 years. If he does mean the short term gap, then he musn&#8217;t know about ITAR (which alarming given his position) and he is really a free thinker or the other alternative I mentioned above&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: John Cunningham</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Cunningham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Imagine youâ€™re trying to develop commercial human access to space.&quot; 

However, maybe this is NOT the philosophical foundation he has when looking at our space programs...perhaps this makes more sense if they instead see our space programs as jobs and politics. 

Jobs for political gain. Space programs as political poker chips and symbols. That&#039;s surely not a new thing, but it&#039;s not what I think the basis of our nation&#039;s space programs should be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Imagine youâ€™re trying to develop commercial human access to space.&#8221; </p>
<p>However, maybe this is NOT the philosophical foundation he has when looking at our space programs&#8230;perhaps this makes more sense if they instead see our space programs as jobs and politics. </p>
<p>Jobs for political gain. Space programs as political poker chips and symbols. That&#8217;s surely not a new thing, but it&#8217;s not what I think the basis of our nation&#8217;s space programs should be.</p>
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