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		<title>By: Kris Ringwood</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-244918</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris Ringwood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 20:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;we have to work with what we have&quot;. Do we? One cursory look at Constellation/ARES proves NASA has not done that!  Hopefully Augustine&#039;s &quot;review&quot; will change that. BUT with a Industry hack(Bolden) at the helm @ NASA, I think not.  Marking time again...cancellation row...
In the end :&quot;we&#039; don&#039;t count.Look what happened to Von Braun once his usefulness reached an end; out to grass...and THERE was a SPACE ADVOCATE!  Not much use when the powers-that-be aren&#039;t listening though...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;we have to work with what we have&#8221;. Do we? One cursory look at Constellation/ARES proves NASA has not done that!  Hopefully Augustine&#8217;s &#8220;review&#8221; will change that. BUT with a Industry hack(Bolden) at the helm @ NASA, I think not.  Marking time again&#8230;cancellation row&#8230;<br />
In the end :&#8221;we&#8217; don&#8217;t count.Look what happened to Von Braun once his usefulness reached an end; out to grass&#8230;and THERE was a SPACE ADVOCATE!  Not much use when the powers-that-be aren&#8217;t listening though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Hartnett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-244566</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm Hartnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 15:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yup and a $50 billion dollar budget could buy us the moon, we don&#039;t have that either.

As Mr. Augustine said we have to work with what we have.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup and a $50 billion dollar budget could buy us the moon, we don&#8217;t have that either.</p>
<p>As Mr. Augustine said we have to work with what we have.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-244161</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 18:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An orbital tug based at the station could pick up ORUs delivered by EELV.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An orbital tug based at the station could pick up ORUs delivered by EELV.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Hartnett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-244141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm Hartnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 17:53:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Rand - Write my Congressmen, write Congressmen on the appropriate committees, write the President, write MG Bolden, write Augustine, write... well you get the idea.

@ Chance - LOL - I didn&#039;t say most dependable, most flown, most inexpensive, or safest.

@ Major Tom

I am not really competent to comment on the internal politics of OMB and the current administration, those who are suggest that things may not be as clear cut as that.

Tom, as to the relationship between Shuttle operations and the ISS I&#039;d like to point out what happened when SSP was shutdown for three years not so long ago, crew size was reduced to two. There is very little that has changed since then. ATV is hardly going to make up the shortfall in logistics, nor is it likely that Progress will be able to increase it&#039;s flight rate to such an extent. HTV and COTS have not flown and hoping is not a great way to support a $100 billion program. There is reason to believe that even should HTV and COTS meet their goals we would still have a logistics shortfall and reduced crew size. This disregards the complete lack of ability to get large ORUs to the station that none of the existing or proposed vehicles can address except the Shuttle. Loss of the shuttle means loss of the station as soon as something big breaks, no matter the level of logistical support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rand &#8211; Write my Congressmen, write Congressmen on the appropriate committees, write the President, write MG Bolden, write Augustine, write&#8230; well you get the idea.</p>
<p>@ Chance &#8211; LOL &#8211; I didn&#8217;t say most dependable, most flown, most inexpensive, or safest.</p>
<p>@ Major Tom</p>
<p>I am not really competent to comment on the internal politics of OMB and the current administration, those who are suggest that things may not be as clear cut as that.</p>
<p>Tom, as to the relationship between Shuttle operations and the ISS I&#8217;d like to point out what happened when SSP was shutdown for three years not so long ago, crew size was reduced to two. There is very little that has changed since then. ATV is hardly going to make up the shortfall in logistics, nor is it likely that Progress will be able to increase it&#8217;s flight rate to such an extent. HTV and COTS have not flown and hoping is not a great way to support a $100 billion program. There is reason to believe that even should HTV and COTS meet their goals we would still have a logistics shortfall and reduced crew size. This disregards the complete lack of ability to get large ORUs to the station that none of the existing or proposed vehicles can address except the Shuttle. Loss of the shuttle means loss of the station as soon as something big breaks, no matter the level of logistical support.</p>
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		<title>By: Chance</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242808</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chance]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 01:24:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[â€œI wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind.â€

You mean the Soyuz?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œI wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind.â€</p>
<p>You mean the Soyuz?</p>
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		<title>By: Major Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242638</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Major Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The OMB does not set national policy.&quot;

The budget request to Congress is an articulation of White House/Executive Branch policy.  It&#039;s not OMB&#039;s policy -- it&#039;s the Obama Administration&#039;s policy.

&quot;The budget summary is just that, a summary without details&quot;

Here&#039;s the NASA details in the President&#039;s FY 2010 Budget:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/nsa.pdf

And here&#039;s the detailed NASA FY 2010 Budget:

http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/345225main_FY_2010_UPDATED_final_5-11-09_with_cover.pdf

Not surprisingly, the details are consistent with the summaries.

&quot;As for Scolese, he is chanting the HQ mantra,&quot;

It&#039;s not the &quot;HQ mantra&quot;.  It&#039;s the Obama Administration policy to shut down the Shuttle program after ISS assembly is complete (plus or minus AMS).

&quot;I doubt many outside HQ buy into that anymore.&quot;

It doesn&#039;t matter whether the field centers &quot;buy into&quot; shutting down the Shuttle program in 2010.  The funds to keep Shuttle flying flow from HQ, not from the field centers.

&quot;I wonâ€™t accept the gap, I wonâ€™t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size,&quot;

Barring a miracle from Saint Augustine, there&#039;s little can be done about it now.  Such objections should have been raised two to three years ago when ESAS/Constellation started auguring in.

&quot;I wonâ€™t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall,&quot;

The former has little to do with the latter.  Going back to a three-person crew doesn&#039;t force ISS to shut down in 2016.

&quot;I wonâ€™t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability,&quot;

ISS science was gutted years ago to fund Ares I/Orion.  Dollars, not downmass, are the issue.

&quot;I wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind.&quot;

She may be capable in LEO, but she&#039;s horrifically expensive, arguably dangerous, and incapable of supporting exploration beyond LEO.

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The OMB does not set national policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>The budget request to Congress is an articulation of White House/Executive Branch policy.  It&#8217;s not OMB&#8217;s policy &#8212; it&#8217;s the Obama Administration&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>&#8220;The budget summary is just that, a summary without details&#8221;</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the NASA details in the President&#8217;s FY 2010 Budget:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/nsa.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2010/assets/nsa.pdf</a></p>
<p>And here&#8217;s the detailed NASA FY 2010 Budget:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/345225main_FY_2010_UPDATED_final_5-11-09_with_cover.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/345225main_FY_2010_UPDATED_final_5-11-09_with_cover.pdf</a></p>
<p>Not surprisingly, the details are consistent with the summaries.</p>
<p>&#8220;As for Scolese, he is chanting the HQ mantra,&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not the &#8220;HQ mantra&#8221;.  It&#8217;s the Obama Administration policy to shut down the Shuttle program after ISS assembly is complete (plus or minus AMS).</p>
<p>&#8220;I doubt many outside HQ buy into that anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter whether the field centers &#8220;buy into&#8221; shutting down the Shuttle program in 2010.  The funds to keep Shuttle flying flow from HQ, not from the field centers.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonâ€™t accept the gap, I wonâ€™t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size,&#8221;</p>
<p>Barring a miracle from Saint Augustine, there&#8217;s little can be done about it now.  Such objections should have been raised two to three years ago when ESAS/Constellation started auguring in.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonâ€™t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall,&#8221;</p>
<p>The former has little to do with the latter.  Going back to a three-person crew doesn&#8217;t force ISS to shut down in 2016.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonâ€™t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability,&#8221;</p>
<p>ISS science was gutted years ago to fund Ares I/Orion.  Dollars, not downmass, are the issue.</p>
<p>&#8220;I wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind.&#8221;</p>
<p>She may be capable in LEO, but she&#8217;s horrifically expensive, arguably dangerous, and incapable of supporting exploration beyond LEO.</p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242617</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;I wonâ€™t accept the gap, I wonâ€™t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size, I wonâ€™t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall, I wonâ€™t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability, I wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind. I donâ€™t think America will either.&lt;/em&gt;

What does that mean, you &quot;won&#039;t accept&quot; it?  What are you going to do about it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>I wonâ€™t accept the gap, I wonâ€™t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size, I wonâ€™t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall, I wonâ€™t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability, I wonâ€™t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind. I donâ€™t think America will either.</em></p>
<p>What does that mean, you &#8220;won&#8217;t accept&#8221; it?  What are you going to do about it?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lassiter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242608</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Lassiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, they did it before landing. A bit surprising, but it&#039;s nice to see that the administration isn&#039;t intimidated by how events could unfold.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they did it before landing. A bit surprising, but it&#8217;s nice to see that the administration isn&#8217;t intimidated by how events could unfold.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm Hartnett</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Norm Hartnett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 14:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I won&#039;t accept the gap, I won&#039;t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size, I won&#039;t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall, I won&#039;t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability, I won&#039;t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind. I don&#039;t think America will either.

The OMB does not set national policy.
The budget summary is just that, a summary without details
As for Scolese, he is chanting the HQ mantra, I doubt many outside HQ buy  into that anymore.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I won&#8217;t accept the gap, I won&#8217;t accept the likely shortfall of logistics to the ISS reducing the crew size, I won&#8217;t accept a likely termination of the ISS in 2016, if not sooner, caused by such a shortfall, I won&#8217;t accept the gutting of science on the ISS due to the lack of down mass capability, I won&#8217;t accept the loss of one of the most capable spacecraft ever built by mankind. I don&#8217;t think America will either.</p>
<p>The OMB does not set national policy.<br />
The budget summary is just that, a summary without details<br />
As for Scolese, he is chanting the HQ mantra, I doubt many outside HQ buy  into that anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/05/22/announcement-today/#comment-242346</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Major Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 04:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;an announcement of final confirmation that the remaining eight missions are all she wrote?&quot;

It&#039;s already been confirmed that the remaining ISS assembly manifest plus AMS is all she wrote.  

See the President&#039;s FY 2010 Budget summary for NASA here:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/National_Aeronautics_and_Space_Administration.pdf

Or NASA&#039;s own FY 2010 budget summary here:

www.nasa.gov/pdf/344612main_Agency_Summary_Final_updates_5_6_09_R2.pdf

Or Scolese&#039;s testimony here:

www.nasa.gov/pdf/338547main_Oral_Statement.pdf

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;an announcement of final confirmation that the remaining eight missions are all she wrote?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s already been confirmed that the remaining ISS assembly manifest plus AMS is all she wrote.  </p>
<p>See the President&#8217;s FY 2010 Budget summary for NASA here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/National_Aeronautics_and_Space_Administration.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/National_Aeronautics_and_Space_Administration.pdf</a></p>
<p>Or NASA&#8217;s own FY 2010 budget summary here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/344612main_Agency_Summary_Final_updates_5_6_09_R2.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/344612main_Agency_Summary_Final_updates_5_6_09_R2.pdf</a></p>
<p>Or Scolese&#8217;s testimony here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/338547main_Oral_Statement.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasa.gov/pdf/338547main_Oral_Statement.pdf</a></p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
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