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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; Posey still fighting for the shuttle</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-280290</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; Posey still fighting for the shuttle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:46:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as you may recall, was critical of human spaceflight in comments last month (not last week), but did not speak about other spaceflight issues like [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] as you may recall, was critical of human spaceflight in comments last month (not last week), but did not speak about other spaceflight issues like [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Bolden and Obama (and Pelosi, too) &#8211; Space Politics [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Space Politics &#187; House space supporters respond to Pelosi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Space Politics &#187; House space supporters respond to Pelosi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi suggested that she wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;big fan&#8221; of human spaceflight and that any additional spending proposed for NASA would have to be compared to alternative [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi suggested that she wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;big fan&#8221; of human spaceflight and that any additional spending proposed for NASA would have to be compared to alternative [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278241</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doug wrote @ December 17th, 2009 at 7:09 pm 

you wonder where we would be with 9 billion having been spent on that program?  

the world is all about choices and for the last lots we as a nation have just made a lot of really bad ones.  spend your money take your choice!

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug wrote @ December 17th, 2009 at 7:09 pm </p>
<p>you wonder where we would be with 9 billion having been spent on that program?  </p>
<p>the world is all about choices and for the last lots we as a nation have just made a lot of really bad ones.  spend your money take your choice!</p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278240</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:09:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[NASA manned (human) space program climaxed on December 17 1972 as  Cernan took his final step off the surface of the moon. What has prevailed since has been an ongoing facade designed to ensure survival of  Apollo/Shuttle era HSP based pork programs. Griffin doomed the Constellation program with ill fated management and hardware choices. Obama will give lip service to the HSP program while his Augustine panel&#039;s goalless Flex Path allows it to die a long quiet slow death. If we wanted to invigorate our human space program (HSP) we would adopt the concept put forth by United Launch Alliance (ULA). Failure to acknowledge the ULA plan proves that the predominate interest in HSP is based on political and financial gain. So we are faced with the status quo.

http://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/publications/AffordableExplorationArchitecture2009.pdf


.ULA lays out a logical, affordable plan to put humans back on the moon by 2018. Itâ€™s based on existing boosters and includes commercial involvement establishing sustainable bases, infrastructure and architecture along the way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA manned (human) space program climaxed on December 17 1972 as  Cernan took his final step off the surface of the moon. What has prevailed since has been an ongoing facade designed to ensure survival of  Apollo/Shuttle era HSP based pork programs. Griffin doomed the Constellation program with ill fated management and hardware choices. Obama will give lip service to the HSP program while his Augustine panel&#8217;s goalless Flex Path allows it to die a long quiet slow death. If we wanted to invigorate our human space program (HSP) we would adopt the concept put forth by United Launch Alliance (ULA). Failure to acknowledge the ULA plan proves that the predominate interest in HSP is based on political and financial gain. So we are faced with the status quo.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/publications/AffordableExplorationArchitecture2009.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/publications/AffordableExplorationArchitecture2009.pdf</a></p>
<p>.ULA lays out a logical, affordable plan to put humans back on the moon by 2018. Itâ€™s based on existing boosters and includes commercial involvement establishing sustainable bases, infrastructure and architecture along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: NASA Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NASA Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lets revise the Space Act, so it allows NASA to send an engineer into every class room! Egad.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets revise the Space Act, so it allows NASA to send an engineer into every class room! Egad.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon2</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anon2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 22:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Education is not mentioned anywhere is the Space Act yet Bolden appeared to indicate Obama sees STEM as a major function for the agency....

Perhaps the rebuilding of NASA and the American space program needs to start with revisiting the Space Act that created NASA and revising it to fit the new world of the 21st Century. Perhaps once NASA&#039;s justification for existence is in line with what the Congress and President see today as justification for its existence it will find more budget support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is not mentioned anywhere is the Space Act yet Bolden appeared to indicate Obama sees STEM as a major function for the agency&#8230;.</p>
<p>Perhaps the rebuilding of NASA and the American space program needs to start with revisiting the Space Act that created NASA and revising it to fit the new world of the 21st Century. Perhaps once NASA&#8217;s justification for existence is in line with what the Congress and President see today as justification for its existence it will find more budget support.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lassiter</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Lassiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 19:41:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Once NASA finally articulates to the public that its primary goal is to help expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball that we live on ...&quot;

Huh? Huuuh? NASA&#039;s primary goal is to help expand human civilization?? You won&#039;t find those words (or anything like them) in the Space Act (which define the purpose and goals of the agency) or even in the new National Space Policy, which defines national goals in space. 

This goal may well be an important one, and you&#039;re entitled to your opinion about that, but it is positively delusional to think that this goal is the primary one for NASA or any goal at all for the nation.

In fact, the only &quot;expansion&quot; referred to in the Space Act is &quot;the expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in the atmosphere and space&quot;.

Look, if it&#039;s part of our natural instinct to expand and colonize new regions (and no, I don&#039;t really think it is, nor do modern historians and anthropologists), then I can point you to some pretty unpleasant parts of our world that don&#039;t have any human footprints on them. 

It&#039;s clueless comments like this that probably encourage Pelosi to thumb her nose at human space flight advocates.

Mind boggling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Once NASA finally articulates to the public that its primary goal is to help expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball that we live on &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Huh? Huuuh? NASA&#8217;s primary goal is to help expand human civilization?? You won&#8217;t find those words (or anything like them) in the Space Act (which define the purpose and goals of the agency) or even in the new National Space Policy, which defines national goals in space. </p>
<p>This goal may well be an important one, and you&#8217;re entitled to your opinion about that, but it is positively delusional to think that this goal is the primary one for NASA or any goal at all for the nation.</p>
<p>In fact, the only &#8220;expansion&#8221; referred to in the Space Act is &#8220;the expansion of human knowledge of the Earth and of phenomena in the atmosphere and space&#8221;.</p>
<p>Look, if it&#8217;s part of our natural instinct to expand and colonize new regions (and no, I don&#8217;t really think it is, nor do modern historians and anthropologists), then I can point you to some pretty unpleasant parts of our world that don&#8217;t have any human footprints on them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s clueless comments like this that probably encourage Pelosi to thumb her nose at human space flight advocates.</p>
<p>Mind boggling.</p>
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		<title>By: NASA Fan</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/17/bolden-and-obama-and-pelosi-too/#comment-278204</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NASA Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcel,

I assume by your &#039;expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball&#039; statement, you are pointing to the need for humanity to survive.

One way to ensure humanities survival is to ensure we take good care of this planet; we learn from our Earth Science endeavors what the heck humans are doing to the planet, and we elect brave and bold politicians (does such a creature exist? - but I digress) to implement policy that ensures a healthy planet that includes human activities.

Obama will surprise us I suspect; and his statement , in my above post, looks like we&#039;re going to end Bush II exploration initiative in much the same way Bush I exploration initiative was ended, and we once again have &#039;father like son&#039; phenomena.

What replaces Bush II remains to be seen...but it does look squishy.









Heading off world so we can ensure the survival of humanity will not resonate with the American public.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcel,</p>
<p>I assume by your &#8216;expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball&#8217; statement, you are pointing to the need for humanity to survive.</p>
<p>One way to ensure humanities survival is to ensure we take good care of this planet; we learn from our Earth Science endeavors what the heck humans are doing to the planet, and we elect brave and bold politicians (does such a creature exist? &#8211; but I digress) to implement policy that ensures a healthy planet that includes human activities.</p>
<p>Obama will surprise us I suspect; and his statement , in my above post, looks like we&#8217;re going to end Bush II exploration initiative in much the same way Bush I exploration initiative was ended, and we once again have &#8216;father like son&#8217; phenomena.</p>
<p>What replaces Bush II remains to be seen&#8230;but it does look squishy.</p>
<p>Heading off world so we can ensure the survival of humanity will not resonate with the American public.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel F. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcel F. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If all we want to do in space  is to allow an elite few to explore the heavens then Pelosi has a point as far as the expense. Its much safer and cheaper to use robots to explore the solar system than to use humans. 

But if we want to enhance the survival of our species by expanding our civilization beyond the Earth while also making some money while we&#039;re there, then manned space travel is essential! 

Once NASA finally articulates to the public that its primary goal is to help expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball that we live on then they will be showered with money and support from the public and the politicians. 

Why? Because in the 2.5 million years of the genus Homo, that&#039;s all we&#039;ve ever done. Its part of our natural instinct to expand and colonize new regions-- even in hostile and periodically frigid areas like Europe and North America!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If all we want to do in space  is to allow an elite few to explore the heavens then Pelosi has a point as far as the expense. Its much safer and cheaper to use robots to explore the solar system than to use humans. </p>
<p>But if we want to enhance the survival of our species by expanding our civilization beyond the Earth while also making some money while we&#8217;re there, then manned space travel is essential! </p>
<p>Once NASA finally articulates to the public that its primary goal is to help expand human civilization beyond this extremely fragile ball that we live on then they will be showered with money and support from the public and the politicians. </p>
<p>Why? Because in the 2.5 million years of the genus Homo, that&#8217;s all we&#8217;ve ever done. Its part of our natural instinct to expand and colonize new regions&#8211; even in hostile and periodically frigid areas like Europe and North America!</p>
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