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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/19/nasa-versus-the-deficit/#comment-320572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 01:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t agree Mr. Oler. the space program is very important. In addition, the space program does not cost that much. Also, why don&#039;t we eliminate something else, like gambling??? I do not respect your view very much.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t agree Mr. Oler. the space program is very important. In addition, the space program does not cost that much. Also, why don&#8217;t we eliminate something else, like gambling??? I do not respect your view very much.</p>
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		<title>By: Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Library: A Round-up of Reading &#171; Res Communis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] NASA versus the deficit &#8211; Space Politics [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2009/12/19/nasa-versus-the-deficit/#comment-278684</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[richardb wrote @ December 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm

Griffith Parker just announced heâ€™s switching party ID to the GOP...

ah another nut joins the team.  Odd thing is that someone on the really far right announced that he wasn&#039;t conservative enough!

As Obiewan would say ...the politics of the force right now are very disturbed.

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richardb wrote @ December 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm</p>
<p>Griffith Parker just announced heâ€™s switching party ID to the GOP&#8230;</p>
<p>ah another nut joins the team.  Odd thing is that someone on the really far right announced that he wasn&#8217;t conservative enough!</p>
<p>As Obiewan would say &#8230;the politics of the force right now are very disturbed.</p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: Lee Stewart</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congress Parker Griffith is now (R-AL) ??????

He anounced his switch to the republican party today 
ref link below:
http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congress Parker Griffith is now (R-AL) ??????</p>
<p>He anounced his switch to the republican party today<br />
ref link below:<br />
<a href="http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: lee stewart</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 00:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Congressman Parker Griffith  is now (R-AL)
He announced today that he has switched and joined the republican party.

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congressman Parker Griffith  is now (R-AL)<br />
He announced today that he has switched and joined the republican party.</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html" rel="nofollow">http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/12/raw_video_parker_griffith_anno.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: richardb</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 18:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Griffith Parker just announced he&#039;s switching party ID to the GOP.   Not that it matters all that much for Ares I.  His former leadership doesn&#039;t support manned Nasa activities all that much as Pelosi made crystal clear recently.  While I don&#039;t recall GOP leaders being as blunt as Pelosi in not supporting one of Nasa&#039;s key programs, their financial support in fact hasn&#039;t been all that great.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Griffith Parker just announced he&#8217;s switching party ID to the GOP.   Not that it matters all that much for Ares I.  His former leadership doesn&#8217;t support manned Nasa activities all that much as Pelosi made crystal clear recently.  While I don&#8217;t recall GOP leaders being as blunt as Pelosi in not supporting one of Nasa&#8217;s key programs, their financial support in fact hasn&#8217;t been all that great.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel F. Williams</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ NASA Fan

&quot;Marcel, I hope by the use of the word â€˜helpâ€™ in your above post , you really mean â€˜empowerâ€™.&quot;

I think  the government needs to get on with the job of developing simpler space vehicles that could be a viable asset to NASA, the US military, and to private industry so that more Americans, and humans in general, can get safer and cheaper access to orbit.  It would save private industry billions of dollars in rocket development cost, the kind of money that private industry has been so far unwilling to pay!  

Once such a SD-SSTOV, OTV, Light sails, and Lunar landers are developed, then private manufactures could sell them to NASA, the military, and to private US industries. 

Of course, we could continue to wait around until private industry finally decides to appropriately fund their manned space programs. But if we had waited around for private industry to figure out a way how they could make a quick profit by  developing  and launching  the first satellites, we&#039;d probably still be waiting to place our first satellite into orbit. 

Private industry has had more than 50 years to get into the manned space flight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ NASA Fan</p>
<p>&#8220;Marcel, I hope by the use of the word â€˜helpâ€™ in your above post , you really mean â€˜empowerâ€™.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think  the government needs to get on with the job of developing simpler space vehicles that could be a viable asset to NASA, the US military, and to private industry so that more Americans, and humans in general, can get safer and cheaper access to orbit.  It would save private industry billions of dollars in rocket development cost, the kind of money that private industry has been so far unwilling to pay!  </p>
<p>Once such a SD-SSTOV, OTV, Light sails, and Lunar landers are developed, then private manufactures could sell them to NASA, the military, and to private US industries. </p>
<p>Of course, we could continue to wait around until private industry finally decides to appropriately fund their manned space programs. But if we had waited around for private industry to figure out a way how they could make a quick profit by  developing  and launching  the first satellites, we&#8217;d probably still be waiting to place our first satellite into orbit. </p>
<p>Private industry has had more than 50 years to get into the manned space flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel F. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcel F. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 05:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Dave Cadman

The radiation hazard on the Moon shouldn&#039;t be difficult to deal with at all since all you have to do is bury your habitat structures under 5 meters of lunar regolith. Robots could probably do that even before the first humans arrive to live in lunar habitat modules. 

Light sails are the key to manned interplanetary space travel, IMO, and the key towards the easy exploitation of small asteroids. Being able to capture and return small asteroids to Lagrange points via light sails should provide us with all of the oxygen, water, carbon, and mass shielding we need to survive in orbital space. The platinum resources of these asteroids could also be our first lucrative export from space to Earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Dave Cadman</p>
<p>The radiation hazard on the Moon shouldn&#8217;t be difficult to deal with at all since all you have to do is bury your habitat structures under 5 meters of lunar regolith. Robots could probably do that even before the first humans arrive to live in lunar habitat modules. </p>
<p>Light sails are the key to manned interplanetary space travel, IMO, and the key towards the easy exploitation of small asteroids. Being able to capture and return small asteroids to Lagrange points via light sails should provide us with all of the oxygen, water, carbon, and mass shielding we need to survive in orbital space. The platinum resources of these asteroids could also be our first lucrative export from space to Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: NASA Fan</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:53:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Robert and CharlesHouston:

What I have seen from my little NASA knot hole, is the payload costs must be commensurate with the rocket/launch costs. To wit, you would never but a $150 million spacecraft on an $150M  launch vehicle.  $800 M yes.

And you would never but a $800M payload on a $40M rocket.

And if Space X is successful in their Falcon 1 and Falcon 9&#039;s, I believe NASA will adjust and you will see more smaller less costly missions.....and maybe the flight rate will go up.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Robert and CharlesHouston:</p>
<p>What I have seen from my little NASA knot hole, is the payload costs must be commensurate with the rocket/launch costs. To wit, you would never but a $150 million spacecraft on an $150M  launch vehicle.  $800 M yes.</p>
<p>And you would never but a $800M payload on a $40M rocket.</p>
<p>And if Space X is successful in their Falcon 1 and Falcon 9&#8217;s, I believe NASA will adjust and you will see more smaller less costly missions&#8230;..and maybe the flight rate will go up.</p>
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		<title>By: NASA Fan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[NASA Fan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Dec 2009 23:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&quot;m the government and I&#039;m here to help you!

Marcel, I hope by the use of the word &#039;help&#039; in your above post , you really mean &#039;empower&#039;.

When government/NASA works with industry, as in the typical government contractor arrangement, what I usually see is the government &#039;forcing&#039; the contractor to do it &#039;the government way&#039;.  

Not a good recipe for innovation.

Government should set policy, and let commercial ventures knock their socks off chasing  X prize money.

The Lincoln presidency saw the benefit to unifying the East and Western halves of the nation , and led the passage of laws that kicked off the Continental Railroad &#039;race&#039;;  Private industry emerged, and made was paid per mile of completed track by the government.  Private industry was thus &#039;empowered&#039; . The government did not lay a single mile of track.

If this is what you really mean by &#039;help&#039; private industry, I&#039;m all for it. Anything else is interference.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8221;m the government and I&#8217;m here to help you!</p>
<p>Marcel, I hope by the use of the word &#8216;help&#8217; in your above post , you really mean &#8216;empower&#8217;.</p>
<p>When government/NASA works with industry, as in the typical government contractor arrangement, what I usually see is the government &#8216;forcing&#8217; the contractor to do it &#8216;the government way&#8217;.  </p>
<p>Not a good recipe for innovation.</p>
<p>Government should set policy, and let commercial ventures knock their socks off chasing  X prize money.</p>
<p>The Lincoln presidency saw the benefit to unifying the East and Western halves of the nation , and led the passage of laws that kicked off the Continental Railroad &#8216;race';  Private industry emerged, and made was paid per mile of completed track by the government.  Private industry was thus &#8216;empowered&#8217; . The government did not lay a single mile of track.</p>
<p>If this is what you really mean by &#8216;help&#8217; private industry, I&#8217;m all for it. Anything else is interference.</p>
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