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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/10/obamas-visit-his-speech-and-growing-support/#comment-295602</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I hear Sarah Palin can see Star City from her house ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear Sarah Palin can see Star City from her house &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 19:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;A woman who thought Africa was a country! A woman who believes in exorcist! A woman who believes that humans walked with dinosaurs!&lt;/em&gt;

Are you really stupid enough to believe all of that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>A woman who thought Africa was a country! A woman who believes in exorcist! A woman who believes that humans walked with dinosaurs!</em></p>
<p>Are you really stupid enough to believe all of that?</p>
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		<title>By: Marcel F. Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Marcel F. Williams]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robert G. Oler

You voted to put Sarah Palin just a heart beat away from controlling nuclear weapons? A woman who thought Africa was a country! A woman who believes in exorcist! A woman who believes that humans walked with dinosaurs! Of course, since you appear to want America to become some libertarian paradise like Somalia, maybe you were voting for what you really wanted! 


Lunar commercialization, industrialization, and colonization will be quite sustainable well before the end of this century.  There&#039;s just too many ways to make big money on the moon in the long run: 

space tourism (the Moons just 4 days away), satellite manufacturing and launching, protecting the Earth from NEOs, lunar funerals and burials, supplying laser energy from the Moon to infrared photovoltaic power facilities located anywhere on Earth 24 hours a day/7 days a week, platinum prospecting on the lunar surface, telescopic prospecting for small 100 tonne asteroids in space, and even lunar real estate  for those folks who like living in huge biodomes in a low gravity environment where you could strap on some wings and fly!  The Moon will probably be one of the wealthiest regions in the solar system well before the end of this century!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert G. Oler</p>
<p>You voted to put Sarah Palin just a heart beat away from controlling nuclear weapons? A woman who thought Africa was a country! A woman who believes in exorcist! A woman who believes that humans walked with dinosaurs! Of course, since you appear to want America to become some libertarian paradise like Somalia, maybe you were voting for what you really wanted! </p>
<p>Lunar commercialization, industrialization, and colonization will be quite sustainable well before the end of this century.  There&#8217;s just too many ways to make big money on the moon in the long run: </p>
<p>space tourism (the Moons just 4 days away), satellite manufacturing and launching, protecting the Earth from NEOs, lunar funerals and burials, supplying laser energy from the Moon to infrared photovoltaic power facilities located anywhere on Earth 24 hours a day/7 days a week, platinum prospecting on the lunar surface, telescopic prospecting for small 100 tonne asteroids in space, and even lunar real estate  for those folks who like living in huge biodomes in a low gravity environment where you could strap on some wings and fly!  The Moon will probably be one of the wealthiest regions in the solar system well before the end of this century!</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/10/obamas-visit-his-speech-and-growing-support/#comment-295589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 18:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The firm contracted value is $1.6 billion and NASA may elect to order additional missions for a cumulative total contract value of up to $3.1 billion.â€&lt;/em&gt;

Just because they&#039;ve signed a contract with a stated value doesn&#039;t mean that they&#039;ve actually received that much money.  Learn a little about contracting, and stop flaunting your ignorance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The firm contracted value is $1.6 billion and NASA may elect to order additional missions for a cumulative total contract value of up to $3.1 billion.â€</em></p>
<p>Just because they&#8217;ve signed a contract with a stated value doesn&#8217;t mean that they&#8217;ve actually received that much money.  Learn a little about contracting, and stop flaunting your ignorance.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Mahoney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Mahoney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert,

  Speaking as someone who had a new kid in the house 5 times, I think you must be neglecting yours based solely on the obviously huge amount of time you spend generating the sheer volume of text you post. And you don&#039;t have enough typos to prove that you&#039;re doing all that typing one-handed. 

Of course, the logic you frequently employ could be explained by lack of sleep, so maybe you&#039;re not... :-) 

Go spot Mom! She needs a break...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert,</p>
<p>  Speaking as someone who had a new kid in the house 5 times, I think you must be neglecting yours based solely on the obviously huge amount of time you spend generating the sheer volume of text you post. And you don&#8217;t have enough typos to prove that you&#8217;re doing all that typing one-handed. </p>
<p>Of course, the logic you frequently employ could be explained by lack of sleep, so maybe you&#8217;re not&#8230; <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /> </p>
<p>Go spot Mom! She needs a break&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: richardb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[richardb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 17:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand, Robert G, let me educate you using Elon Musk&#039;s own words here on Planet Earth in 2008:
â€œThe SpaceX team is honored to have been selected by NASA as the winner of the Cargo Resupply Services contract,â€ said Elon Musk, CEO and CTO, SpaceX. â€œThis is a tremendous responsibility, given the swiftly approaching retirement of the Space Shuttle and the significant future needs of the Space Station. This also demonstrates the success of the NASA COTS program, which has opened a new era for NASA in US Commercial spaceflight.â€
Further,  &quot;NASA today announced its selection of the SpaceX Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft for the International Space Station (ISS) Cargo Resupply Services (CRS) contract award. The contract is for a guaranteed minimum of 20,000 kg to be carried to the International Space Station. The firm contracted value is $1.6 billion and NASA may elect to order additional missions for a cumulative total contract value of up to $3.1 billion.&quot;

This is lifted from SpaceX&#039;s own press release, dated December 23, 2008, Planet Earth.  http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20081223

Now that isn&#039;t the only USG funds SpaceX has gotten.  Falcon 1 would never have flown without DOD funding.  Nor would it have flown without the us of the USG&#039;s Reagan Test Site on Kwajalein Island.

Face the facts gentlemen, SpaceX isn&#039;t doing anything for ISS or LEO unless USG is the bill payer.  There is no commercial outside of satellites. ISS is not commercial in any sense.  It doesn&#039;t produce a revenue stream, it has no billable services that anyone outside of the government wants.  Its a creature of the Congressional funding monster and no company will bet the company on it.    SpaceX will approach ISS, crewed transport just as LockMart, ATK or Boeing did.  Cash upfront please.

SpaceX has their own registered lobbyists in DC, one is named Bud Cramer, a former congressmen with the firm Wexler and Walker.   Musk is a frequent flyer to DC to lobby for all of his enterprises, whether it&#039;s SpaceX or Tesla, whether it&#039;s Nasa or the Department of Energy, Musk is hanging around shaking the federal fruit tree for frequent snacks.  Further, a little googling shows SpaceX is a very active contributor to Congressman and women.  They are no different than ATK in the way they go about their business of dealing with DC.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand, Robert G, let me educate you using Elon Musk&#8217;s own words here on Planet Earth in 2008:<br />
â€œThe SpaceX team is honored to have been selected by NASA as the winner of the Cargo Resupply Services contract,â€ said Elon Musk, CEO and CTO, SpaceX. â€œThis is a tremendous responsibility, given the swiftly approaching retirement of the Space Shuttle and the significant future needs of the Space Station. This also demonstrates the success of the NASA COTS program, which has opened a new era for NASA in US Commercial spaceflight.â€<br />
Further,  &#8220;NASA today announced its selection of the SpaceX Falcon 9 launch vehicle and Dragon spacecraft for the International Space Station (ISS) Cargo Resupply Services (CRS) contract award. The contract is for a guaranteed minimum of 20,000 kg to be carried to the International Space Station. The firm contracted value is $1.6 billion and NASA may elect to order additional missions for a cumulative total contract value of up to $3.1 billion.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is lifted from SpaceX&#8217;s own press release, dated December 23, 2008, Planet Earth.  <a href="http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20081223" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacex.com/press.php?page=20081223</a></p>
<p>Now that isn&#8217;t the only USG funds SpaceX has gotten.  Falcon 1 would never have flown without DOD funding.  Nor would it have flown without the us of the USG&#8217;s Reagan Test Site on Kwajalein Island.</p>
<p>Face the facts gentlemen, SpaceX isn&#8217;t doing anything for ISS or LEO unless USG is the bill payer.  There is no commercial outside of satellites. ISS is not commercial in any sense.  It doesn&#8217;t produce a revenue stream, it has no billable services that anyone outside of the government wants.  Its a creature of the Congressional funding monster and no company will bet the company on it.    SpaceX will approach ISS, crewed transport just as LockMart, ATK or Boeing did.  Cash upfront please.</p>
<p>SpaceX has their own registered lobbyists in DC, one is named Bud Cramer, a former congressmen with the firm Wexler and Walker.   Musk is a frequent flyer to DC to lobby for all of his enterprises, whether it&#8217;s SpaceX or Tesla, whether it&#8217;s Nasa or the Department of Energy, Musk is hanging around shaking the federal fruit tree for frequent snacks.  Further, a little googling shows SpaceX is a very active contributor to Congressman and women.  They are no different than ATK in the way they go about their business of dealing with DC.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/10/obamas-visit-his-speech-and-growing-support/#comment-295562</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 14:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Fox News caught in another fib&lt;/em&gt;

So?  What&#039;s your point?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Fox News caught in another fib</em></p>
<p>So?  What&#8217;s your point?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/10/obamas-visit-his-speech-and-growing-support/#comment-295539</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 10:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fox News caught in another fib:

http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100413/COLUMNISTS0207/4130316/1086/Reed++Debunking+the+latest+health+care+conspiracy+theory

Fox News falsely claimed that the health care bill lets Obama create his own private army.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fox News caught in another fib:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100413/COLUMNISTS0207/4130316/1086/Reed++Debunking+the+latest+health+care+conspiracy+theory" rel="nofollow">http://www.floridatoday.com/article/20100413/COLUMNISTS0207/4130316/1086/Reed++Debunking+the+latest+health+care+conspiracy+theory</a></p>
<p>Fox News falsely claimed that the health care bill lets Obama create his own private army.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/10/obamas-visit-his-speech-and-growing-support/#comment-295520</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[richardb wrote @ April 13th, 2010 at 12:53 am

 They got 1.6 billion from Nasa for the ISS resupply using Falcon and Dragon in 2008, before Obama was sworn in...

If so then it is like no government contract that I have ever seen or heard of before.  As I recall SpaceX has gotten 3 or 4 hundred million dollars on that contract.  NOW thats a lot of money if you know what to do with it and not an unreasonable amount given the task at hand...and cheap to NASA standards.  

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>richardb wrote @ April 13th, 2010 at 12:53 am</p>
<p> They got 1.6 billion from Nasa for the ISS resupply using Falcon and Dragon in 2008, before Obama was sworn in&#8230;</p>
<p>If so then it is like no government contract that I have ever seen or heard of before.  As I recall SpaceX has gotten 3 or 4 hundred million dollars on that contract.  NOW thats a lot of money if you know what to do with it and not an unreasonable amount given the task at hand&#8230;and cheap to NASA standards.  </p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Apr 2010 05:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand Simberg wrote @ April 13th, 2010 at 1:44 am


I fully grasp the notion of a sovereign people. But my notion includes sovereign people who give a damn about the Constitution and the Republic, even if you donâ€™t...

yeah and you and others like you get to define who those people are.  Thats another characteristic of extremism.  Actually its two of them, trying to imply that others who have differing viewpoints dont care much about The Republic.

Look this is the wrong forum for this and you can take the last pass but I am done with this...

everyone who is a citizen has equal stroke on what The Constitution means.   The struggle in  The Republic has been to include more and more people in the definition of &quot;us&quot;  and it has been against those who would define &quot;us&quot; very narrowly.

Anyway wrong forum for this so I am back to space.  

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand Simberg wrote @ April 13th, 2010 at 1:44 am</p>
<p>I fully grasp the notion of a sovereign people. But my notion includes sovereign people who give a damn about the Constitution and the Republic, even if you donâ€™t&#8230;</p>
<p>yeah and you and others like you get to define who those people are.  Thats another characteristic of extremism.  Actually its two of them, trying to imply that others who have differing viewpoints dont care much about The Republic.</p>
<p>Look this is the wrong forum for this and you can take the last pass but I am done with this&#8230;</p>
<p>everyone who is a citizen has equal stroke on what The Constitution means.   The struggle in  The Republic has been to include more and more people in the definition of &#8220;us&#8221;  and it has been against those who would define &#8220;us&#8221; very narrowly.</p>
<p>Anyway wrong forum for this so I am back to space.  </p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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