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		<title>By: George Walker</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/04/18/no-they-havent-been-paying-attention/#comment-330373</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[George Walker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Oct 2010 17:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cold Case is a nice TV series but the story sometimes does not appeal to me much`-~]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cold Case is a nice TV series but the story sometimes does not appeal to me much`-~</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Regarding the program, NASA should not be in the entertainment business, it should be producing research and development of practical value to the US civil aerospace industry. We used to lead the world in aircraft and in commercial satellite launch services. In the last five years I think there have been three satellites launched from US soil that weren&#039;t paid for by US taxpayers. To the NACA, industry was the customer, and they helped the US civil aerospace industry lead the world. To NASA, industry is just a vendor, and NASA has done nothing while most of the major US aircraft manufacturers disappeared.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the program, NASA should not be in the entertainment business, it should be producing research and development of practical value to the US civil aerospace industry. We used to lead the world in aircraft and in commercial satellite launch services. In the last five years I think there have been three satellites launched from US soil that weren&#8217;t paid for by US taxpayers. To the NACA, industry was the customer, and they helped the US civil aerospace industry lead the world. To NASA, industry is just a vendor, and NASA has done nothing while most of the major US aircraft manufacturers disappeared.</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 May 2010 22:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&gt;&gt;So the only reason that out of 131 missions the Shuttle have never landed on auto was the Right Stuff? Seriously?

I remember bringing this up before STS-1. The Shuttle has always had autoland, originally required because of the uncertain weather in Florida, but many people at JSC did not believe it even existed, and what pilot would give up the chance to land it? That&#039;s why the X-37 was important; it and the X-34, DC-X, and X-33 were unmanned and would land autonomously.

From an engineering point of view, it would be better to have the pilot assessing the overall situation than focused on the stick and rudder.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;So the only reason that out of 131 missions the Shuttle have never landed on auto was the Right Stuff? Seriously?</p>
<p>I remember bringing this up before STS-1. The Shuttle has always had autoland, originally required because of the uncertain weather in Florida, but many people at JSC did not believe it even existed, and what pilot would give up the chance to land it? That&#8217;s why the X-37 was important; it and the X-34, DC-X, and X-33 were unmanned and would land autonomously.</p>
<p>From an engineering point of view, it would be better to have the pilot assessing the overall situation than focused on the stick and rudder.</p>
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		<title>By: darkbullet.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Space Politics Â» No, they haven&#39;t been paying attention</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[darkbullet.com &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Space Politics Â» No, they haven&#39;t been paying attention]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 May 2010 00:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mike C.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike C.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 00:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The orbiter designed reflected the glamorous idea of letting the military pilots land the ship, but as you noted thereâ€™s really no reason for it. The Soviets flew and landed Buran by remote control in its only test flight.&quot; -- I&#039;ve read in Wayne Hale&#039;s blog that the Shuttle does have the auto-landing capability. So the only reason that out of 131 missions the Shuttle have never landed on auto was the Right Stuff? Seriously?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The orbiter designed reflected the glamorous idea of letting the military pilots land the ship, but as you noted thereâ€™s really no reason for it. The Soviets flew and landed Buran by remote control in its only test flight.&#8221; &#8212; I&#8217;ve read in Wayne Hale&#8217;s blog that the Shuttle does have the auto-landing capability. So the only reason that out of 131 missions the Shuttle have never landed on auto was the Right Stuff? Seriously?</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Cink</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Cink]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 22:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This one&#039;s for Stephen C Smith: How could what you experienced in your stint in auditing (DON&quot;T SOLVE THE PROBLEM, REPORT THE PROBLM!)  be anything like what I experienced as a Navy pilot? I was in a squadron at North Island in 87 and one day heard the following. &quot;This is the training department, our job is NOT training!!  Our job is THE DOCUMENTATION OF TRAINING!!&quot;  Never looked at the Navy the same way again. Thanks for bringing back the memory! (I think)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one&#8217;s for Stephen C Smith: How could what you experienced in your stint in auditing (DON&#8221;T SOLVE THE PROBLEM, REPORT THE PROBLM!)  be anything like what I experienced as a Navy pilot? I was in a squadron at North Island in 87 and one day heard the following. &#8220;This is the training department, our job is NOT training!!  Our job is THE DOCUMENTATION OF TRAINING!!&#8221;  Never looked at the Navy the same way again. Thanks for bringing back the memory! (I think)</p>
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		<title>By: GK</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[GK]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want people to know more and support more, you have to catch them early like in the later elementary grades and middle school. These days the best way to catch them is in school where they spend half or more of their time, or in massive-interactive-player games, which is the most common form of entertainment. You might also catch them on some of the specialty kids TV channels (Disney, Nickelodeon, FOXKids, etc). Otherwise its hit or miss and you are not likely to get to many.

And as much as they learn science and math in school, they need to learn about the history and the significance and the potential for the future. They have to be able to visualize how they might contribute or be a part of it one day. The audience that needs to be getting most of the attention are 12-15 years away from getting out of college and starting careers, and maybe a lot longer.

Scientists and engineers and NASA seem to have this fixation on having the kids try to work LIKE engineers and scientists, building moon buggies or robots. That will get some kids interested, but based on the present STEM situation in the US, it not  having much of an effect. How many of your friends did these sorts of hands on projects in school? How many built and launched model rockets. I&#039;d guess you were in a pretty small  minority.

There are relatively very few schools that teach any astronomy or space science. Its usually an elective taught to very few. Even if they teach these subjects, there are far fewer that teach anything about the history of either.  

If they have no concept of how they might participate. If they have no concept of the history, then the knowledge and science that has been learned has no context. And, they really have no concept of why they would want to be a rocket scientist or engineer or why they should support the space program.

I&#039;ve become convinced, most of the people who are supporting space, along with NASA; their aim is entirely wrong. They are aimed at the wrong population, using the wrong methods. Mostly, 95% of the effort is aimed solely at the people who already have an interest. About 5% is aimed at what becomes minor publicity aimed at the general populace. It has very little effect.

This is what my dissertation is focusing on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want people to know more and support more, you have to catch them early like in the later elementary grades and middle school. These days the best way to catch them is in school where they spend half or more of their time, or in massive-interactive-player games, which is the most common form of entertainment. You might also catch them on some of the specialty kids TV channels (Disney, Nickelodeon, FOXKids, etc). Otherwise its hit or miss and you are not likely to get to many.</p>
<p>And as much as they learn science and math in school, they need to learn about the history and the significance and the potential for the future. They have to be able to visualize how they might contribute or be a part of it one day. The audience that needs to be getting most of the attention are 12-15 years away from getting out of college and starting careers, and maybe a lot longer.</p>
<p>Scientists and engineers and NASA seem to have this fixation on having the kids try to work LIKE engineers and scientists, building moon buggies or robots. That will get some kids interested, but based on the present STEM situation in the US, it not  having much of an effect. How many of your friends did these sorts of hands on projects in school? How many built and launched model rockets. I&#8217;d guess you were in a pretty small  minority.</p>
<p>There are relatively very few schools that teach any astronomy or space science. Its usually an elective taught to very few. Even if they teach these subjects, there are far fewer that teach anything about the history of either.  </p>
<p>If they have no concept of how they might participate. If they have no concept of the history, then the knowledge and science that has been learned has no context. And, they really have no concept of why they would want to be a rocket scientist or engineer or why they should support the space program.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve become convinced, most of the people who are supporting space, along with NASA; their aim is entirely wrong. They are aimed at the wrong population, using the wrong methods. Mostly, 95% of the effort is aimed solely at the people who already have an interest. About 5% is aimed at what becomes minor publicity aimed at the general populace. It has very little effect.</p>
<p>This is what my dissertation is focusing on.</p>
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		<title>By: BruceL</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BruceL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 17:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Doesnâ€™t sound like our 35 year plus â€˜Mission to LEOâ€™ program has captured the publicâ€™s imagination:-)..

The 6 year old Constellation Mission did not capture too many people&#039;s imagination.

Most people think of the moon landings as if they were not too long ago. The pictures returned on Apollo have a timeless quality. MANY people believe that the moon is where the Shuttle goes every week.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doesnâ€™t sound like our 35 year plus â€˜Mission to LEOâ€™ program has captured the publicâ€™s imagination:-)..</p>
<p>The 6 year old Constellation Mission did not capture too many people&#8217;s imagination.</p>
<p>Most people think of the moon landings as if they were not too long ago. The pictures returned on Apollo have a timeless quality. MANY people believe that the moon is where the Shuttle goes every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;the last line only, but in context with the first line, it was a figment of your ability to use a mouse&lt;/em&gt;

The first line made no more sense than the last one did, because (as usual) you never put quotes around what others are saying, as opposed to you.  The only way to tell if it&#039;s someone else&#039;s words is that they tend to be more grammatical.  The entire comment (like most of yours) was babble.  I didn&#039;t want to repeat the whole thing.

[typical Fox News derangement ignored, as though CNN or MSNBC are any better]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>the last line only, but in context with the first line, it was a figment of your ability to use a mouse</em></p>
<p>The first line made no more sense than the last one did, because (as usual) you never put quotes around what others are saying, as opposed to you.  The only way to tell if it&#8217;s someone else&#8217;s words is that they tend to be more grammatical.  The entire comment (like most of yours) was babble.  I didn&#8217;t want to repeat the whole thing.</p>
<p>[typical Fox News derangement ignored, as though CNN or MSNBC are any better]</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jack]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Apr 2010 18:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Look, Robert,

Rand has a transterrestrial view on things. Just read his musings. 
Only talk about Space Politics with Rand. That&#039;s what this website is for.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look, Robert,</p>
<p>Rand has a transterrestrial view on things. Just read his musings.<br />
Only talk about Space Politics with Rand. That&#8217;s what this website is for.</p>
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