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		<title>By: Chris Castro</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316754</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 04:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Colonization is NOT a criterion for determining where research stations will get emplaced. If THAT were the case, then Antarctica would be completely devoid of human activity. (As would South Georgia, Kerguelen, Marion, Bouvet, Ascension, and a host of other ordinarily inaccessable islands &amp; island groups.)  The Moon is ripe for the intermittent stationing of research personnel. There IS a whole lot of science still to be made there, plus the investigation into future mining work. (A high percent of the mining work could even be done using robotic &amp; automated systems.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colonization is NOT a criterion for determining where research stations will get emplaced. If THAT were the case, then Antarctica would be completely devoid of human activity. (As would South Georgia, Kerguelen, Marion, Bouvet, Ascension, and a host of other ordinarily inaccessable islands &amp; island groups.)  The Moon is ripe for the intermittent stationing of research personnel. There IS a whole lot of science still to be made there, plus the investigation into future mining work. (A high percent of the mining work could even be done using robotic &amp; automated systems.)</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Waddington</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316299</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent Waddington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris, but we&#039;ll be able to fly to Mars and then the real colonization can begin.  The Moon is the future mine and industrial park of humanity, it is not a future home, and there&#039;s little to learn there.  http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-mines-of-humanity.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris, but we&#8217;ll be able to fly to Mars and then the real colonization can begin.  The Moon is the future mine and industrial park of humanity, it is not a future home, and there&#8217;s little to learn there.  <a href="http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-mines-of-humanity.html" rel="nofollow">http://quantumg.blogspot.com/2010/07/future-mines-of-humanity.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Castro</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316292</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 05:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Coastal Ron: Look, the Anti-Constellation people are one-and-the-same, the ones who are dead-set opposed to renewed Lunar explorations. This is why they are springing on all this crap about doing manned asteroid missions instead. (You CAN&#039;T actually land on NEO&#039;s, and you CAN&#039;T emplace building structures upon them either.) This manned asteroid mission jazz is going to be a gigantic distraction from the future task of setting up bases on a planetary surface!  When NASA finally runs out of steam, with the 100% virgin territory novelty, by &quot;visiting&quot; several NEO&#039;s, over the span of half-a-decade or more; and it&#039;s the 2030&#039;s, we really will have learned nothing about maintaining habitat structures on a celestial body of noticeable gravity, STILL!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Coastal Ron: Look, the Anti-Constellation people are one-and-the-same, the ones who are dead-set opposed to renewed Lunar explorations. This is why they are springing on all this crap about doing manned asteroid missions instead. (You CAN&#8217;T actually land on NEO&#8217;s, and you CAN&#8217;T emplace building structures upon them either.) This manned asteroid mission jazz is going to be a gigantic distraction from the future task of setting up bases on a planetary surface!  When NASA finally runs out of steam, with the 100% virgin territory novelty, by &#8220;visiting&#8221; several NEO&#8217;s, over the span of half-a-decade or more; and it&#8217;s the 2030&#8217;s, we really will have learned nothing about maintaining habitat structures on a celestial body of noticeable gravity, STILL!!</p>
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		<title>By: Trent Waddington</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316276</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trent Waddington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;piloted spacecraft down to the surface of the moon and returned safely to Earth&quot;

Wow, if they can do that then they can do ANYTHING!  I&#039;m gunna quit my job so Neil Armstrong can have it.. I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll have no problem.

Mark, thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;piloted spacecraft down to the surface of the moon and returned safely to Earth&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, if they can do that then they can do ANYTHING!  I&#8217;m gunna quit my job so Neil Armstrong can have it.. I&#8217;m sure he&#8217;ll have no problem.</p>
<p>Mark, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: mark valah</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316248</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mark valah]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 21:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Trent, SpaceX, correct. Sorry for the typo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trent, SpaceX, correct. Sorry for the typo.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/07/12/events-past-and-future/#comment-316233</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 17:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The National Research Council just issued a report criticizing NASA&#039;s inability to control its costs:

http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12946

&lt;i&gt;The ... studies indicate that overly optimistic and unrealistic cost estimates, project and funding instability, problems with development of instruments and other spacecraft technology, and issues with launch services are the most common drivers of cost growth, the report concludes.  Problems that delay mission schedules also contribute to and magnify cost growth; if one mission is not meeting its schedule, it may also lead to planning delays for other missions.  A relatively small number of missions appear to be responsible for most cost overruns, the report says. &lt;/i&gt;

You can download the entire report from their web site at the above link.  You have to give them an e-mail address to download it; it runs 77 pages.  I&#039;ll be going through it tonight to see if it cites which missions are &quot;responsible for most cost overruns.&quot;  (Constellation?!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The National Research Council just issued a report criticizing NASA&#8217;s inability to control its costs:</p>
<p><a href="http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12946" rel="nofollow">http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=12946</a></p>
<p><i>The &#8230; studies indicate that overly optimistic and unrealistic cost estimates, project and funding instability, problems with development of instruments and other spacecraft technology, and issues with launch services are the most common drivers of cost growth, the report concludes.  Problems that delay mission schedules also contribute to and magnify cost growth; if one mission is not meeting its schedule, it may also lead to planning delays for other missions.  A relatively small number of missions appear to be responsible for most cost overruns, the report says. </i></p>
<p>You can download the entire report from their web site at the above link.  You have to give them an e-mail address to download it; it runs 77 pages.  I&#8217;ll be going through it tonight to see if it cites which missions are &#8220;responsible for most cost overruns.&#8221;  (Constellation?!)</p>
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		<title>By: spacermase</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@DCSCA

Err, I&#039;m willing to wager Scott Hubbard might know at least a little about running a space project, being a former Director and all (yes, I know Ames is a Research center, not a Flight center, but they&#039;ve still contributed quite a bit to missions throughout the years).

As for &quot;piloting spacecraft down to the moon and safely returning to the Earth&quot;, *none* of the CAIB member have done that.  Because it&#039;s not really relevant to their purpose.  And, frankly, I&#039;m not sure why that would be necessarily useful for determining policy, beyond offering a different perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DCSCA</p>
<p>Err, I&#8217;m willing to wager Scott Hubbard might know at least a little about running a space project, being a former Director and all (yes, I know Ames is a Research center, not a Flight center, but they&#8217;ve still contributed quite a bit to missions throughout the years).</p>
<p>As for &#8220;piloting spacecraft down to the moon and safely returning to the Earth&#8221;, *none* of the CAIB member have done that.  Because it&#8217;s not really relevant to their purpose.  And, frankly, I&#8217;m not sure why that would be necessarily useful for determining policy, beyond offering a different perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 12:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iâ€™d say that the former CAIB folks below who signed the letter are in quite a better position to make such assessments... 

Not really. None of them have managed a big budgeted space project, spaceflights nor piloted spacecraft down to the surface of the moon and returned safely to Earth. But their credendials make them impressive for accident investigation boards, panel discussions and, in the case of Logsdon, good at interviewing Apollo era management on why they were successful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iâ€™d say that the former CAIB folks below who signed the letter are in quite a better position to make such assessments&#8230; </p>
<p>Not really. None of them have managed a big budgeted space project, spaceflights nor piloted spacecraft down to the surface of the moon and returned safely to Earth. But their credendials make them impressive for accident investigation boards, panel discussions and, in the case of Logsdon, good at interviewing Apollo era management on why they were successful.</p>
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		<title>By: dad2059</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 10:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...no one is going to be defining a mission to the Moon in this budget (no one likes Constellation).&lt;/i&gt;

Except those demanding a continuance of pork-pie in their Center Districts!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;no one is going to be defining a mission to the Moon in this budget (no one likes Constellation).</i></p>
<p>Except those demanding a continuance of pork-pie in their Center Districts!</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 04:08:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chris Castro wrote @ July 12th, 2010 at 10:44 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Letâ€™s get back to exploring deep space!&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

You need the right rockets to do that, and you need to know what you&#039;ll need at your destination.  All of those things are in the proposed NASA budget, and will allow us to go beyond LEO faster than what Constellation was going to do.

The secret of the NASA budget that people don&#039;t realize is that it is really only a 5-year horizon.  During those 5 years, the basic transportation we need to get to LEO will be firmly established, and NASA (plus private enterprise) will be able to concentrate their efforts on what to do outside of LEO (Moon, Lagrange, NEO, etc.).

Future budgets is where the destinations will start being defined, and that may not happen for a couple of years.  Keep your powder dry until then, because no one is going to be defining a mission to the Moon in this budget (no one likes Constellation).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris Castro wrote @ July 12th, 2010 at 10:44 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Letâ€™s get back to exploring deep space!</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>You need the right rockets to do that, and you need to know what you&#8217;ll need at your destination.  All of those things are in the proposed NASA budget, and will allow us to go beyond LEO faster than what Constellation was going to do.</p>
<p>The secret of the NASA budget that people don&#8217;t realize is that it is really only a 5-year horizon.  During those 5 years, the basic transportation we need to get to LEO will be firmly established, and NASA (plus private enterprise) will be able to concentrate their efforts on what to do outside of LEO (Moon, Lagrange, NEO, etc.).</p>
<p>Future budgets is where the destinations will start being defined, and that may not happen for a couple of years.  Keep your powder dry until then, because no one is going to be defining a mission to the Moon in this budget (no one likes Constellation).</p>
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