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		<title>By: Matt Wiser</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-327180</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Wiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 02:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry, not a perfect analogy: There was a Naval Aircraft factory for a number of years, but they usually produced licensed versions of aircraft built by private industry (The PBN version of the Catalina, the SBN dive bomber-a variant of Brewster&#039;s shabby SBA, and a number of primary trainers). Private industry ultimately became the military&#039;s supplier, given time and effort, and in due time, private industry will have its place in human spaceflight. The difference of opinion is whether or not now is the time to do that. Sen. Nelson told Dr. Holdren that &quot;Some people question the wisdom of that.&quot; Expect the Senate bill to include a full-up Orion and HLV. 

One thing that Garver and her boss, General Bolden, probably regret is that they didn&#039;t sit down before the rollout with the key members of Congress (committee chiefs and ranking members), and those congresscritters whose districts would be affected by Constellation getting the ax, and explain why they were doing what they did, express regret at short-term job losses, and point out that the contractors doing Constellation work would have ample opportunites to bid on new aspects of the exploration program. They did nothing of the sort. Everyone involved-members of Congress, contractors, Center directors found out the way we did-via the news media. I imagine Bolden and Garver are wondering where they went wrong. Were they expecting that everyone would sing praises of the new program to the sky, applaud, and that Congress would rubber-stamp it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, not a perfect analogy: There was a Naval Aircraft factory for a number of years, but they usually produced licensed versions of aircraft built by private industry (The PBN version of the Catalina, the SBN dive bomber-a variant of Brewster&#8217;s shabby SBA, and a number of primary trainers). Private industry ultimately became the military&#8217;s supplier, given time and effort, and in due time, private industry will have its place in human spaceflight. The difference of opinion is whether or not now is the time to do that. Sen. Nelson told Dr. Holdren that &#8220;Some people question the wisdom of that.&#8221; Expect the Senate bill to include a full-up Orion and HLV. </p>
<p>One thing that Garver and her boss, General Bolden, probably regret is that they didn&#8217;t sit down before the rollout with the key members of Congress (committee chiefs and ranking members), and those congresscritters whose districts would be affected by Constellation getting the ax, and explain why they were doing what they did, express regret at short-term job losses, and point out that the contractors doing Constellation work would have ample opportunites to bid on new aspects of the exploration program. They did nothing of the sort. Everyone involved-members of Congress, contractors, Center directors found out the way we did-via the news media. I imagine Bolden and Garver are wondering where they went wrong. Were they expecting that everyone would sing praises of the new program to the sky, applaud, and that Congress would rubber-stamp it?</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-327142</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Wiser wrote @ September 6th, 2010 at 12:29 a

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for this mission (LEO).â€ Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) &lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Let&#039;s see what that statement sounds like in the DOD world:

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Iâ€™m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for fighter aircraft.â€ Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) &lt;/i&gt;&quot;

He would be laughed at in the DOD world for making such a statement, and it&#039;s pretty clear he&#039;s making a political statement, not one that is looking out for the U.S. Taxpayer (i.e. costs &amp; capability).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Wiser wrote @ September 6th, 2010 at 12:29 a</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Iâ€™m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for this mission (LEO).â€ Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s see what that statement sounds like in the DOD world:</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Iâ€™m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for fighter aircraft.â€ Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) </i>&#8221;</p>
<p>He would be laughed at in the DOD world for making such a statement, and it&#8217;s pretty clear he&#8217;s making a political statement, not one that is looking out for the U.S. Taxpayer (i.e. costs &amp; capability).</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wiser</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-327111</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Wiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 04:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oler, you just can&#039;t admit that the path you want doesn&#039;t have the political support in Congress, can&#039;t you? ObamaSpace as originally proposed and later amended was DOA on the Hill. The Senate bill is the best possible compromise between the New Space proponents and the pro-Constellation crowd. Read the Huntsville Times piece above-if you haven&#039;t already-Garver admitted they didn&#039;t handle the rollout well, didn&#039;t take Congressional opiinon into account-and hadn&#039;t explained the problems with the Constellation program. 

Take a look again at the most recent Senate Hearing-with Bolden and Dr. Holdren in the 1st Panel and Armstrong, Cernan, and Norm Augustine in the 2nd. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX-the ranking member of the Committee and the chair if the GOP takes control of the Senate) to Dr. Holdren at 58:25: &quot;I&#039;m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for this mission (LEO).&quot; Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) follows, saying that Sen. Hutchinson has a point. Read: Delta IV Heavy with Orion will likely follow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oler, you just can&#8217;t admit that the path you want doesn&#8217;t have the political support in Congress, can&#8217;t you? ObamaSpace as originally proposed and later amended was DOA on the Hill. The Senate bill is the best possible compromise between the New Space proponents and the pro-Constellation crowd. Read the Huntsville Times piece above-if you haven&#8217;t already-Garver admitted they didn&#8217;t handle the rollout well, didn&#8217;t take Congressional opiinon into account-and hadn&#8217;t explained the problems with the Constellation program. </p>
<p>Take a look again at the most recent Senate Hearing-with Bolden and Dr. Holdren in the 1st Panel and Armstrong, Cernan, and Norm Augustine in the 2nd. Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchinson (R-TX-the ranking member of the Committee and the chair if the GOP takes control of the Senate) to Dr. Holdren at 58:25: &#8220;I&#8217;m not against the Private Sector, but against the private sector being the only source for this mission (LEO).&#8221; Sen Bill Nelson (D-FL) follows, saying that Sen. Hutchinson has a point. Read: Delta IV Heavy with Orion will likely follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-327097</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Sep 2010 02:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote @ September 5th, 2010 at 1:39 am

I noticed that you were not able to offer up any other competitor that is either close or further ahead of SpaceX towards fielding a capsule, which proves my point.  SpaceX has a huge lead over anyone else that could offer capsule services in the U.S.

And none of your inane comments will change that...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote @ September 5th, 2010 at 1:39 am</p>
<p>I noticed that you were not able to offer up any other competitor that is either close or further ahead of SpaceX towards fielding a capsule, which proves my point.  SpaceX has a huge lead over anyone else that could offer capsule services in the U.S.</p>
<p>And none of your inane comments will change that&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 05:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Musk is no hurry to add commercial crew, since they already have a huge lead over any other potential competitor.&quot;  &lt;- Bogus, as usual. Musk has flown nobody.  No operational Dragon, cargoed or manned, has been successfully launched, orbited/docked/undocked/reentered and splashed down safely to Earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Musk is no hurry to add commercial crew, since they already have a huge lead over any other potential competitor.&#8221;  &lt;- Bogus, as usual. Musk has flown nobody.  No operational Dragon, cargoed or manned, has been successfully launched, orbited/docked/undocked/reentered and splashed down safely to Earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-326911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 03:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA: Deep pocketed investors!

Inigo Montoya: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  

Some small part of the world may be following SpaceX, but you seem to be one of the few obsessed with it.  As my daughter would say - Chil-lax!

Regarding &quot;deep pocketed investors&quot;, with $150M from their current investors, the company has created a $2.4B order backlog.  With a track record like that, if SpaceX wants more investors, I don&#039;t think they will have a problem finding them - and that&#039;s just for their non-crew capabilities.

Musk is no hurry to add commercial crew, since they already have a huge lead over any other potential competitor.  And that&#039;s also the reason why he can wait for a NASA commercial crew program to pay for the final pieces they need to add (crew gantry, LAS, etc.).  Why spend your own money when your customer will be glad to pay for it?  I bet that&#039;s galling to you, isn&#039;t it...  :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA: Deep pocketed investors!</p>
<p>Inigo Montoya: You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.</p>
<p>&#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  &#8211;  </p>
<p>Some small part of the world may be following SpaceX, but you seem to be one of the few obsessed with it.  As my daughter would say &#8211; Chil-lax!</p>
<p>Regarding &#8220;deep pocketed investors&#8221;, with $150M from their current investors, the company has created a $2.4B order backlog.  With a track record like that, if SpaceX wants more investors, I don&#8217;t think they will have a problem finding them &#8211; and that&#8217;s just for their non-crew capabilities.</p>
<p>Musk is no hurry to add commercial crew, since they already have a huge lead over any other potential competitor.  And that&#8217;s also the reason why he can wait for a NASA commercial crew program to pay for the final pieces they need to add (crew gantry, LAS, etc.).  Why spend your own money when your customer will be glad to pay for it?  I bet that&#8217;s galling to you, isn&#8217;t it&#8230;  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 21:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Major Tom wrote @ September 2nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm&lt;-- Oh Tommy...
Stop talking. Start flying. The world, the space industry and deep pocketed investors await the first successful commercial manned spaceflight. Tick-tock.. tick-tock...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major Tom wrote @ September 2nd, 2010 at 1:26 pm&lt;&#8211; Oh Tommy&#8230;<br />
Stop talking. Start flying. The world, the space industry and deep pocketed investors await the first successful commercial manned spaceflight. Tick-tock.. tick-tock&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Major Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/08/27/garver-on-commercial-space-and-policy-at-space-camp/#comment-326409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Major Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 17:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Our Tommy just doesnâ€™t get it;
NASAâ€™s earned respect and credit;
For lofting crews five decades on,
Earth orbit and to our moon beyond.&quot;

Roses are red
Violets are blue
No duh poet
Your lines add nothing new

&quot;Musketeers have flown no one;
And wont be for some time to come;
Fix the roll; halt the spinning;
Stop the talk, and just start flying.&quot;

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Dragon goes up in October
But Orion never flew

&quot;&lt;- tick- tock, tick-tockâ€¦ the world awaits, the first successful launch of a commercial man in space.&quot;

Tick-tock, tick-tock, the world awaits the first successful launch of Orion.

Or a schedule for the first launch of Orion.

Or just knowing what Orion&#039;s launch vehicle is.

Ugh...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Our Tommy just doesnâ€™t get it;<br />
NASAâ€™s earned respect and credit;<br />
For lofting crews five decades on,<br />
Earth orbit and to our moon beyond.&#8221;</p>
<p>Roses are red<br />
Violets are blue<br />
No duh poet<br />
Your lines add nothing new</p>
<p>&#8220;Musketeers have flown no one;<br />
And wont be for some time to come;<br />
Fix the roll; halt the spinning;<br />
Stop the talk, and just start flying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Roses are red<br />
Violets are blue<br />
Dragon goes up in October<br />
But Orion never flew</p>
<p>&#8220;&lt;- tick- tock, tick-tockâ€¦ the world awaits, the first successful launch of a commercial man in space.&quot;</p>
<p>Tick-tock, tick-tock, the world awaits the first successful launch of Orion.</p>
<p>Or a schedule for the first launch of Orion.</p>
<p>Or just knowing what Orion&#039;s launch vehicle is.</p>
<p>Ugh&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 08:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[byeman wrote @ September 1st, 2010 at 7:59 am  &lt;- tick- tock, tick-tock... the world awaits, the first successful launch of a commercial man in space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>byeman wrote @ September 1st, 2010 at 7:59 am  &lt;- tick- tock, tick-tock&#8230; the world awaits, the first successful launch of a commercial man in space.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Sep 2010 07:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Major Tom wrote @ September 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pm 

Our Tommy just doesn&#039;t get it;
NASA&#039;s earned respect and credit;
For lofting crews five decades on,
Earth orbit and to our moon beyond.

Musketeers have flown no one;
And wont be for some time to come;
Fix the roll; halt the spinning;
Stop the talk, and just start flying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major Tom wrote @ September 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pm </p>
<p>Our Tommy just doesn&#8217;t get it;<br />
NASA&#8217;s earned respect and credit;<br />
For lofting crews five decades on,<br />
Earth orbit and to our moon beyond.</p>
<p>Musketeers have flown no one;<br />
And wont be for some time to come;<br />
Fix the roll; halt the spinning;<br />
Stop the talk, and just start flying.</p>
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