All I have to do is mention Doc Whorowitz, Marsha Ivins and Mark Kelly, and you just lost quite a few more hard core human space flight advocates from your delusional and idiotic and indeed exorbitantly expensive and nearly worthless human beyond Earth orbit spaceflight cause.

That said, the corruption started long before this cast of characters. It’s inherent in the economic-rationality-free cult of HSF, their worship of useless astronauts, and their various ways of begging for and using government money. Which, “commercial” or otherwise they utterly depend upon since actual private tourists are not stupid enough to sign up for this nonsense unless they are billionaires paying the marginal costs of marginal costs.

Fortunately, some NewSpace companies like SpaceX are starting to wake up to this mass delusion we’ve been under and are starting to realize that freedom from the NASA teat requires economic rationality which means real commerce that actually does useful things for people on earth.

What, your name isn’t really Kinsey Therapist? I’m shocked!

Dude, you have no idea who you are talking to and what you are talking about. It is documented that I was the very first person and nearly the only person to ream Michael Griffin and George Bush a new one in late September and early October of 2005. I was willing to go along with the farce and folly after Columbia, but only if it reinstated the rationality and affordability of the Space Launch Initiative in propulsion and launch, and resulting in the immediate use of EELVs. I was willing to go that far.

But it didn’t happen, and I vocally, loudly called the Stick and ESAS for what it was, a corrupt and irresponsible sham by a bunch of ignorant astronauts feeding nonsense to a dictatorial and incompetent engineer.

You can call me anything you want, but cowardly isn’t in my character.

Now here we are, ten year later after SLI, and where do we stand? Looking at another five years and $10 billion dollars funneled down an engineering black hole. Do please enjoy your non-existent and delusional beyond Earth orbit space program for another five years of not flying beyond LEO. I’m perfectly happy with that future result, because it’s your delusion, not mine.

You know what I think? You should hire Steve Cook and Doug Stanley back to engineer your Direct 3.0 ten billion dollar one flight every two years Jesus rocket. Those Huntsville boys got the jesus, how could that go wrong?

Look at that response. If you represent “hard corp space enthusiats” then you share a measure of responsibility for where we are now. With an attitude like this, the obvious and misplaced anger and general lack of respect to even carry on a conversation, then no wonder the “space advocay” community is in the shape it is in and percieved the way it is.

Congratulations. Continue to blame others this way but do not forget to look in the mirror along the way.

You can keep living the delusion for all I care, but when former hard core human space advocates start bailing out in the monster jesus rocket, and then start calling for the wholesale abandonment of government sponsored human spaceflight like I am, then you have most definitely lost your base.

Blaming the astronaut corp in the fashion you did, and excuse me for this remark, seems odd. It hints at what is known as “displaced anger”.

Oh really? All I have to do is mention Doc Whorowitz, Marsha Ivins and Mark Kelly, and you just lost quite a few more hard core human space flight advocates from your delusional and idiotic and indeed exorbitantly expensive and nearly worthless human beyond Earth orbit spaceflight cause. These people have irreparably DAMAGED and DESTROYED the American human space flight program, and that isn’t going to change. Ever.

Lisa Nowak hasn’t damaged American human spaceflight in any way shape or form compared to these cast of characters from the Bush Griffin era.

He can’t and he knows it. Oler is very good at throwing out bombs (spearchucking I think he calls it) and then running away when called on it. He still hasn’t provided proof that “Lockmart and company probably invested more (reference back to $60M) in “information suites” and the bimbo’s that go with them then they did engineering (reference to CEV). (Oler – wrote @ September 6th, 2010 at 10:36 am).