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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 06:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand Simberg wrote @ October 4th, 2010 at 1:33 am

Nice set up Rand.

You certainly point up the fact that important information should be verified and validated if one wants to use it as the foundation of an important argument.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand Simberg wrote @ October 4th, 2010 at 1:33 am</p>
<p>Nice set up Rand.</p>
<p>You certainly point up the fact that important information should be verified and validated if one wants to use it as the foundation of an important argument.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matt Wiser wrote @ October 3rd, 2010 at 11:59 pm

Rand Simberg asked - &quot;&lt;i&gt;And why do you suppose that Buzz didnâ€™t do that?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

You said - &quot;&lt;i&gt;Because Buzz knew he wouldâ€™ve been in the Lionâ€™s den, pure and simple.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Unfortunately, not so pure and simple.

Matt, do you know who chooses the people that testify in front of Congress?  Once you find that out, you&#039;ll understand why Buzz did not testify.

Oh, and considering how much media exposure Buzz has had recently, I don&#039;t think you can call him shy, and he certainly has defended his ideas in front of much smarter people than Senators and Congressmen.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;As long as the administrationâ€™s original plan was perceived as being anti-HSF&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

You fail to understand that part of the reason it was perceived that way was because opponents of the plan pushed that idea.

NASA&#039;s comparison charts showing the number of HSF days in space between Constellation and their proposed budget was ignored by those that wanted Constellation, and instead they labeled it as &quot;abandoning&quot; space.  Just because NASA et al had bad initial marketing doesn&#039;t mean you have to drink the opponents Kool-Aid.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matt Wiser wrote @ October 3rd, 2010 at 11:59 pm</p>
<p>Rand Simberg asked &#8211; &#8220;<i>And why do you suppose that Buzz didnâ€™t do that?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>You said &#8211; &#8220;<i>Because Buzz knew he wouldâ€™ve been in the Lionâ€™s den, pure and simple.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Unfortunately, not so pure and simple.</p>
<p>Matt, do you know who chooses the people that testify in front of Congress?  Once you find that out, you&#8217;ll understand why Buzz did not testify.</p>
<p>Oh, and considering how much media exposure Buzz has had recently, I don&#8217;t think you can call him shy, and he certainly has defended his ideas in front of much smarter people than Senators and Congressmen.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>As long as the administrationâ€™s original plan was perceived as being anti-HSF</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>You fail to understand that part of the reason it was perceived that way was because opponents of the plan pushed that idea.</p>
<p>NASA&#8217;s comparison charts showing the number of HSF days in space between Constellation and their proposed budget was ignored by those that wanted Constellation, and instead they labeled it as &#8220;abandoning&#8221; space.  Just because NASA et al had bad initial marketing doesn&#8217;t mean you have to drink the opponents Kool-Aid.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Because Buzz knew he wouldâ€™ve been in the Lionâ€™s den, pure and simple. &lt;/em&gt;

Bzzzzzzzt...

Thanks for playing.  And revealing your utter ignorance of how Congressional hearings work.

Buzz didn&#039;t do that because he wasn&#039;t invited.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Because Buzz knew he wouldâ€™ve been in the Lionâ€™s den, pure and simple. </em></p>
<p>Bzzzzzzzt&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for playing.  And revealing your utter ignorance of how Congressional hearings work.</p>
<p>Buzz didn&#8217;t do that because he wasn&#8217;t invited.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wiser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Wiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 03:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because Buzz knew he would&#039;ve been in the Lion&#039;s den, pure and simple. But he would&#039;ve had the opportunity to explain his support for the new program, and taken whatever heat came his way. Like Harry Truman said: &quot;If you can&#039;t take the heat, get out of the Kitchen.&quot; 

Ferris: again, the issue was one of perception. As long as the administration&#039;s original plan was perceived as being anti-HSF, or that Garver was seen as the driving force behind that, the opposition to the administration&#039;s proposals can be explained to some degree. Bolden admitted that he hadn&#039;t been able to brief Senators and Congressmen before the rollout, and that he ignored advice from his PR people on how to handle the rollout. Both of which Bolden took the rap for. Even after POTUS&#039; speech at the Cape, there was still significant opposition, which resulted in the Senate&#039;s own plan, which was passed by both houses and will be signed into law.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because Buzz knew he would&#8217;ve been in the Lion&#8217;s den, pure and simple. But he would&#8217;ve had the opportunity to explain his support for the new program, and taken whatever heat came his way. Like Harry Truman said: &#8220;If you can&#8217;t take the heat, get out of the Kitchen.&#8221; </p>
<p>Ferris: again, the issue was one of perception. As long as the administration&#8217;s original plan was perceived as being anti-HSF, or that Garver was seen as the driving force behind that, the opposition to the administration&#8217;s proposals can be explained to some degree. Bolden admitted that he hadn&#8217;t been able to brief Senators and Congressmen before the rollout, and that he ignored advice from his PR people on how to handle the rollout. Both of which Bolden took the rap for. Even after POTUS&#8217; speech at the Cape, there was still significant opposition, which resulted in the Senate&#8217;s own plan, which was passed by both houses and will be signed into law.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 19:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Had Buzz gone and been on that panel with Neil, Gene, and Norm Augustine, it wouldâ€™ve offered balance to what Neil and Gene were offering in terms of testimony, along with Jim Lovellâ€™s written testimony (he couldnâ€™t make it in person).&lt;/em&gt;

And why do you suppose that Buzz didn&#039;t do that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Had Buzz gone and been on that panel with Neil, Gene, and Norm Augustine, it wouldâ€™ve offered balance to what Neil and Gene were offering in terms of testimony, along with Jim Lovellâ€™s written testimony (he couldnâ€™t make it in person).</em></p>
<p>And why do you suppose that Buzz didn&#8217;t do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Ferris Valyn</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ferris Valyn]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 07:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

And so?  I mean, stop the presses - a congressman said something that wasn&#039;t true.  Because it wasn&#039;t true that Lori wanted to all of HSF to the private sector

And the fact that they weren&#039;t asked to testify says something more about congress, rather than the administration.  Like they don&#039;t want to have a real debate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. </p></blockquote>
<p>And so?  I mean, stop the presses &#8211; a congressman said something that wasn&#8217;t true.  Because it wasn&#8217;t true that Lori wanted to all of HSF to the private sector</p>
<p>And the fact that they weren&#8217;t asked to testify says something more about congress, rather than the administration.  Like they don&#8217;t want to have a real debate.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:37:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand Simberg wrote @ October 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm &lt;- Inaccurate. Always wise to listen to those who&#039;ve actually accomplished something in their profession over 80 years of life experience, Musketeer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand Simberg wrote @ October 2nd, 2010 at 11:12 pm &lt;- Inaccurate. Always wise to listen to those who&#039;ve actually accomplished something in their profession over 80 years of life experience, Musketeer.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wiser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Wiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 04:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Rand, it was. And many of those speaking in opposition were on the relevant House and Senate committees that deal with NASA, not just those affected because of Constellation work in their home states. Not to mention former astronauts, and not just the old Apollo hands. I remember that  Eileen Collins, Mike Foale, Tom Wilson, and a number of Shuttle-only astronauts were dead set against the original plan that was rolled out. Granted, there were astronauts with Gemini, Apollo, and Shuttle experience that did speak in favor of it, which points out that no community is of one mind on any given subject. But during the debate, none of those astronauts in favor (Buzz Aldrin in particular) were asked to testify in any hearings on the Hill. They may have met with individual congresscritters and staff, but that&#039;s it, in all likelihood. Had Buzz gone and been on that panel with Neil, Gene, and Norm Augustine, it would&#039;ve offered balance to what Neil and Gene were offering in terms of testimony, along with Jim Lovell&#039;s written testimony (he couldn&#039;t make it in person).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Rand, it was. And many of those speaking in opposition were on the relevant House and Senate committees that deal with NASA, not just those affected because of Constellation work in their home states. Not to mention former astronauts, and not just the old Apollo hands. I remember that  Eileen Collins, Mike Foale, Tom Wilson, and a number of Shuttle-only astronauts were dead set against the original plan that was rolled out. Granted, there were astronauts with Gemini, Apollo, and Shuttle experience that did speak in favor of it, which points out that no community is of one mind on any given subject. But during the debate, none of those astronauts in favor (Buzz Aldrin in particular) were asked to testify in any hearings on the Hill. They may have met with individual congresscritters and staff, but that&#8217;s it, in all likelihood. Had Buzz gone and been on that panel with Neil, Gene, and Norm Augustine, it would&#8217;ve offered balance to what Neil and Gene were offering in terms of testimony, along with Jim Lovell&#8217;s written testimony (he couldn&#8217;t make it in person).</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. &lt;/em&gt;

Was that supposed to be a response to what I said?  Those former astronauts were octogenerians who hadn&#039;t been paying attention to what was going on, and were energized by the clueless, or the venal.  And many congressmen are idiots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. </em></p>
<p>Was that supposed to be a response to what I said?  Those former astronauts were octogenerians who hadn&#8217;t been paying attention to what was going on, and were energized by the clueless, or the venal.  And many congressmen are idiots.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Wiser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Wiser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 03:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. 

A lot of factors at work here: desire to protect one&#039;s constitutents, anger at not being consulted or advised prior to rollout (Bolden&#039;s admitted that failure was his fault in the last Senate hearing), distrust of the commercial sector being able to do what they&#039;re being asked to do, and so on. 

All it takes to put the moon back on the agenda for a landing before the asteroid mission is confirmed intelligence that the ChiComs (or Russia, or India, take your pick) have a lunar landing program in the works. The pressure on NASA to get back first would be intense from the Hill.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There were congressmen and senators saying just that. Along with a number of former astronauts. </p>
<p>A lot of factors at work here: desire to protect one&#8217;s constitutents, anger at not being consulted or advised prior to rollout (Bolden&#8217;s admitted that failure was his fault in the last Senate hearing), distrust of the commercial sector being able to do what they&#8217;re being asked to do, and so on. </p>
<p>All it takes to put the moon back on the agenda for a landing before the asteroid mission is confirmed intelligence that the ChiComs (or Russia, or India, take your pick) have a lunar landing program in the works. The pressure on NASA to get back first would be intense from the Hill.</p>
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