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		<title>By: Sputnik</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/10/05/still-scavenging-for-shuttles/#comment-330833</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sputnik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What about the Technikmuseum in Speyer, they already have the Russian counterpart Buran on display and lots of space in their newly erected space hangar left. Think global not local!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Technikmuseum in Speyer, they already have the Russian counterpart Buran on display and lots of space in their newly erected space hangar left. Think global not local!</p>
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		<title>By: Beancounter from Downunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beancounter from Downunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 02:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Talking about final Shuttle resting places.  
We&#039;ve got a space museum at Woomera in South Australia.  Can anyone organise the last Shuttle mission to detour the landing flightpath a la &#039;The Core&#039; and just accidentally land there.  LOL.
For a bit of info&#039;:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woomera,_South_Australia#World_Historical_Aerospace_Site]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talking about final Shuttle resting places.<br />
We&#8217;ve got a space museum at Woomera in South Australia.  Can anyone organise the last Shuttle mission to detour the landing flightpath a la &#8216;The Core&#8217; and just accidentally land there.  LOL.<br />
For a bit of info':  <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woomera,_South_Australia#World_Historical_Aerospace_Site" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woomera,_South_Australia#World_Historical_Aerospace_Site</a></p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 22:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anne Spudis wrote @ October 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;October 5, 2010 â€“ Rasumssem Reports:&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Are you settling an old argument, or is this somehow related to the present topic?

Regarding polls, it&#039;s one thing to ask if the public thinks something is important, but it&#039;s another to ask them how much they would be willing to pay.

That same Rasumssem poll showed that &quot;&lt;i&gt;52% of Adults say the space shuttle program has been worth the expense to taxpayers&lt;/i&gt;&quot; - that&#039;s not a ringing endorsement of the job NASA has done over the last 30 years, especially when forty-one percent (41%) believe the United States should cut back on space exploration.

The binary choice of government vs the private sector for space funding is also a silly question, since that is not even the question or the debate that is before us.

I think you can find trends in this poll, but I would not look for answers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anne Spudis wrote @ October 6th, 2010 at 4:34 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>October 5, 2010 â€“ Rasumssem Reports:</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Are you settling an old argument, or is this somehow related to the present topic?</p>
<p>Regarding polls, it&#8217;s one thing to ask if the public thinks something is important, but it&#8217;s another to ask them how much they would be willing to pay.</p>
<p>That same Rasumssem poll showed that &#8220;<i>52% of Adults say the space shuttle program has been worth the expense to taxpayers</i>&#8221; &#8211; that&#8217;s not a ringing endorsement of the job NASA has done over the last 30 years, especially when forty-one percent (41%) believe the United States should cut back on space exploration.</p>
<p>The binary choice of government vs the private sector for space funding is also a silly question, since that is not even the question or the debate that is before us.</p>
<p>I think you can find trends in this poll, but I would not look for answers.</p>
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		<title>By: Anne Spudis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anne Spudis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 20:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith wrote @ September 8th, 2010 at 6:17 pm

[Anne Spudis wrote: 50% of Americans want Americans in space. And this has been almost a constant number for decades.]

Cite your sources. All the articles Iâ€™ve seen in recent years say the opposite.
Update for Stephen C. Smith

October 5, 2010 â€“ Rasumssem Reports:

[snip] â€œForty percent (40%) of Americans feel the space program should be funded by the government, up slightly from April.  Thirty-two percent (32%) say funding for the program should come from the private sector.  Twenty-eight percent (28%) are undecided. 

Interestingly, most entrepreneurs and private company employees feel the space program should be government-funded, while the plurality of government workers feel the private sector should handle the expense.  

&lt;b&gt;An overwhelming 72% say itâ€™s at least somewhat important for the United States to have a manned space program, &lt;/b&gt; including 35% who say itâ€™s Very Important.  Only 21% say itâ€™s not very or not at all important for the country to send humans into space.  â€¦â€

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2010/52_say_space_shuttle_program_has_been_worth_the_cost

Earlier linked poll:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/121736/majority-americans-say-space-program-costs-justified.aspx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen C. Smith wrote @ September 8th, 2010 at 6:17 pm</p>
<p>[Anne Spudis wrote: 50% of Americans want Americans in space. And this has been almost a constant number for decades.]</p>
<p>Cite your sources. All the articles Iâ€™ve seen in recent years say the opposite.<br />
Update for Stephen C. Smith</p>
<p>October 5, 2010 â€“ Rasumssem Reports:</p>
<p>[snip] â€œForty percent (40%) of Americans feel the space program should be funded by the government, up slightly from April.  Thirty-two percent (32%) say funding for the program should come from the private sector.  Twenty-eight percent (28%) are undecided. </p>
<p>Interestingly, most entrepreneurs and private company employees feel the space program should be government-funded, while the plurality of government workers feel the private sector should handle the expense.  </p>
<p><b>An overwhelming 72% say itâ€™s at least somewhat important for the United States to have a manned space program, </b> including 35% who say itâ€™s Very Important.  Only 21% say itâ€™s not very or not at all important for the country to send humans into space.  â€¦â€</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2010/52_say_space_shuttle_program_has_been_worth_the_cost" rel="nofollow">http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/october_2010/52_say_space_shuttle_program_has_been_worth_the_cost</a></p>
<p>Earlier linked poll:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gallup.com/poll/121736/majority-americans-say-space-program-costs-justified.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.gallup.com/poll/121736/majority-americans-say-space-program-costs-justified.aspx</a></p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith wrote @ October 5th, 2010 at 8:48 am 
In a perfect world, Enterprise goes to Edwards AFB although I donâ€™t know if they have a facility to display it, or the money to raise to build it. &lt;- They do-- lots of hanger space. They have everything up there and room for it but it&#039;s a pain tp get to and if memory serves, they only open the base up once a year for air shows and arent keen on the public crawling around the base. But you see everything there -- even met Yeager after he broke the sound barrier for the last time back in 1997 up there. If it has wings, you see it there if they choose to let you. But it is a pain to get to even from Los Angeles.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen C. Smith wrote @ October 5th, 2010 at 8:48 am<br />
In a perfect world, Enterprise goes to Edwards AFB although I donâ€™t know if they have a facility to display it, or the money to raise to build it. &lt;- They do&#8211; lots of hanger space. They have everything up there and room for it but it&#039;s a pain tp get to and if memory serves, they only open the base up once a year for air shows and arent keen on the public crawling around the base. But you see everything there &#8212; even met Yeager after he broke the sound barrier for the last time back in 1997 up there. If it has wings, you see it there if they choose to let you. But it is a pain to get to even from Los Angeles.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[San Diego has a nice museum; Los Angeles as well. Edwards perhaps as well could give one a home-- would make a nice draw up to the high desert for something other than air shows. Figure one for the Smithsonian and one for the Intrepid in NYC which will get a great draw.

@brobof- They did that w/Enterprise about 30 years ago. Saw it over NYC on the way to Washington then a cross country &#039;tour.&#039; If you aren&#039;t looking for it, nobody bothers to look up and it really isn&#039;t as big as you might think at 3000 ft over midtown Manhattan. 

@MrEarl- Enterprise is already at the NASM annex. Perhaps they&#039;ll put that out on loan and fill the space w/Discovery. San Diego and LA both have good aerospace museums. And there&#039;s Edwards AFB to consider as a site and draw.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Diego has a nice museum; Los Angeles as well. Edwards perhaps as well could give one a home&#8211; would make a nice draw up to the high desert for something other than air shows. Figure one for the Smithsonian and one for the Intrepid in NYC which will get a great draw.</p>
<p>@brobof- They did that w/Enterprise about 30 years ago. Saw it over NYC on the way to Washington then a cross country &#8216;tour.&#8217; If you aren&#8217;t looking for it, nobody bothers to look up and it really isn&#8217;t as big as you might think at 3000 ft over midtown Manhattan. </p>
<p>@MrEarl- Enterprise is already at the NASM annex. Perhaps they&#8217;ll put that out on loan and fill the space w/Discovery. San Diego and LA both have good aerospace museums. And there&#8217;s Edwards AFB to consider as a site and draw.</p>
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		<title>By: brobof</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 08:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a suggestion. Mount one on a 747 and take it on a world tour. Better still convert the 747 into flying museum. That way one shuttle can visit any large airport and maximise Outreach.
Then when fatigue &amp; etc mandate a permanent &#039;end to flight&#039;: strip off the TPS tiles and donate to educational establishments. Share the wealth. 

Repeat for the other orbiters.

Stopgap Bonus: the mock TPS will have to be manufactured and emplaced by the ex- standing army. Thus providing jobs!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a suggestion. Mount one on a 747 and take it on a world tour. Better still convert the 747 into flying museum. That way one shuttle can visit any large airport and maximise Outreach.<br />
Then when fatigue &amp; etc mandate a permanent &#8216;end to flight': strip off the TPS tiles and donate to educational establishments. Share the wealth. </p>
<p>Repeat for the other orbiters.</p>
<p>Stopgap Bonus: the mock TPS will have to be manufactured and emplaced by the ex- standing army. Thus providing jobs!</p>
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		<title>By: Beancounter from Downunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beancounter from Downunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:48:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is this the first time there&#039;s been no name calling?  Surely not!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this the first time there&#8217;s been no name calling?  Surely not!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bennett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:13:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[reader wrote @ October 5th, 2010 at 10:02 pm

Damn.  The cynical pulse of reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>reader wrote @ October 5th, 2010 at 10:02 pm</p>
<p>Damn.  The cynical pulse of reality.</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 02:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is just awfully thinking. 
You ought to send all of the remaining orbiters to China as gifts. Along with an SRB and an ET.

This will make sure that they will &quot;learn&quot; from it, build their own slightly modified version and be locked into the gargantuan costs of the program for the next 30 years, making no real progress in space.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just awfully thinking.<br />
You ought to send all of the remaining orbiters to China as gifts. Along with an SRB and an ET.</p>
<p>This will make sure that they will &#8220;learn&#8221; from it, build their own slightly modified version and be locked into the gargantuan costs of the program for the next 30 years, making no real progress in space.</p>
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