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	<title>Comments on: Senate hearing on implementation of NASA authorization act today</title>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334965</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;No, but it is possible that he hadnâ€™t thought through the implications of what he was saying.&quot;

Anyhting is possible, but some things are more likely than others; here I will give him more credit than you do.  I think the chances of him speaking off the cuff about this in a realativley high profile interview in Av Week is unlikely.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No, but it is possible that he hadnâ€™t thought through the implications of what he was saying.&#8221;</p>
<p>Anyhting is possible, but some things are more likely than others; here I will give him more credit than you do.  I think the chances of him speaking off the cuff about this in a realativley high profile interview in Av Week is unlikely.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 16:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, but it is possible that he hadn&#039;t thought through the implications of what he was saying.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, but it is possible that he hadn&#8217;t thought through the implications of what he was saying.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334955</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[â€œElon would never accept a cost-plus contract for the same reason XCOR has always refused to â€” it would pollute and corrupt their corporate culture to do so.â€

I admire your faith in Mr. Musk, but do not (especially after what he said in the Av Week interview) share it.  I am not personally adverse to having NASA involved in the Systems Engineering of a project they are paying for, but by the standards you are setting that is already â€˜polluting and corrupting their corporate cultureâ€.

Additionally anybody who would accept a fixed cost contract allowing the party giving the contract to control Systems Engineering (essentially the management of the project) would have to be extremely stupid or suicidal.  I have seen no signs that Mr. Musk is either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œElon would never accept a cost-plus contract for the same reason XCOR has always refused to â€” it would pollute and corrupt their corporate culture to do so.â€</p>
<p>I admire your faith in Mr. Musk, but do not (especially after what he said in the Av Week interview) share it.  I am not personally adverse to having NASA involved in the Systems Engineering of a project they are paying for, but by the standards you are setting that is already â€˜polluting and corrupting their corporate cultureâ€.</p>
<p>Additionally anybody who would accept a fixed cost contract allowing the party giving the contract to control Systems Engineering (essentially the management of the project) would have to be extremely stupid or suicidal.  I have seen no signs that Mr. Musk is either.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334949</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 15:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Elon would never accept a cost-plus contract for the same reason XCOR has always refused to -- it would pollute and corrupt their corporate culture to do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elon would never accept a cost-plus contract for the same reason XCOR has always refused to &#8212; it would pollute and corrupt their corporate culture to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334940</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 14:51:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The SLS contract, if it is awarded, will either fixed cost or cost plus depending on what the government decides.  Nothing in the Av Week interview even mentioned the distinction (as in no place did Musk say he would only accept a fixed cost contract â€“ even though he did specifically say he would accept, even wanted MSFC to run his systems engineering).  

I understand the difference between a fixed cost and cost plus contract very well, I do not understand why you assume the SLS contract would be fixed cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The SLS contract, if it is awarded, will either fixed cost or cost plus depending on what the government decides.  Nothing in the Av Week interview even mentioned the distinction (as in no place did Musk say he would only accept a fixed cost contract â€“ even though he did specifically say he would accept, even wanted MSFC to run his systems engineering).  </p>
<p>I understand the difference between a fixed cost and cost plus contract very well, I do not understand why you assume the SLS contract would be fixed cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334873</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 02:40:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;The way things are shaping up (so far â€“ the fat lady has not sung yet) that is SLS. So he has â€œgot your SLS for you, right hereâ€.&lt;/em&gt;

I don&#039;t understand why you don&#039;t understand the key distinction.  SLS on a cost-plus contract, versus SLS on a fixed-price contract.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The way things are shaping up (so far â€“ the fat lady has not sung yet) that is SLS. So he has â€œgot your SLS for you, right hereâ€.</em></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand why you don&#8217;t understand the key distinction.  SLS on a cost-plus contract, versus SLS on a fixed-price contract.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334859</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Dec 2010 00:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Oh, he wants a BFR, too, but that would be gravy. I suspect he really wants the BFE.&quot;

I suspect he really wants a lucrative government contract (not that there is anything wrong with that).  The way things are shaping up (so far - the fat lady has not sung yet) that is SLS.  So he has &quot;got your SLS for you, right here&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Oh, he wants a BFR, too, but that would be gravy. I suspect he really wants the BFE.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect he really wants a lucrative government contract (not that there is anything wrong with that).  The way things are shaping up (so far &#8211; the fat lady has not sung yet) that is SLS.  So he has &#8220;got your SLS for you, right here&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 23:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, he wants a BFR, too, but that would be gravy.  I suspect he &lt;b&gt;really&lt;/b&gt; wants the BFE.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, he wants a BFR, too, but that would be gravy.  I suspect he <b>really</b> wants the BFE.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334838</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 22:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[â€œYes, just as Ares V was the justification for Ares I, the BFR is the justification for the BFE, which he wants just to reduce Falcon 9 costs and complexity.â€

So he wants to bid on the SLS contract, take on dealing with NASA in effect running his business, at some point dump the HLV in order to get NASA to fund a new bigger engine which he will then retro-fit into the Falcon-9 (or would it still be called that?).

Machiavellian little sucker, isnâ€™t he.  But you should really stop giving away his game plan.  NASA might have some â€œmoleâ€ reading this sight and not like the fact that good old Elon is trying to rip them off. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œYes, just as Ares V was the justification for Ares I, the BFR is the justification for the BFE, which he wants just to reduce Falcon 9 costs and complexity.â€</p>
<p>So he wants to bid on the SLS contract, take on dealing with NASA in effect running his business, at some point dump the HLV in order to get NASA to fund a new bigger engine which he will then retro-fit into the Falcon-9 (or would it still be called that?).</p>
<p>Machiavellian little sucker, isnâ€™t he.  But you should really stop giving away his game plan.  NASA might have some â€œmoleâ€ reading this sight and not like the fact that good old Elon is trying to rip them off. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2010/12/01/senate-hearing-on-implementation-of-nasa-authorization-act-today/#comment-334803</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;He probably just wants to get the engine development costs out of the whole deal. Once he has the engine he wants he could probably get by with doing the rest on his own?&lt;/em&gt;

Yes, just as Ares V was the justification for Ares I, the BFR is the justification for the BFE, which he wants just to reduce Falcon 9 costs and complexity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>He probably just wants to get the engine development costs out of the whole deal. Once he has the engine he wants he could probably get by with doing the rest on his own?</em></p>
<p>Yes, just as Ares V was the justification for Ares I, the BFR is the justification for the BFE, which he wants just to reduce Falcon 9 costs and complexity.</p>
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