Ike warned us about the military industrial complex- and it is the reason we started a space program, which was good, but then caused the early death of our space program, which was bad.

Ignoring the latest troll?

Fine with me. All I desire is to express my opinion; I would much rather just post and be left alone than insulted by foul mouthed children thank you.

As for the subtle suggestion I am a communist; the free market needs regulation. Alot of regulation. If that makes me a communist then that makes you fascists by putting corporations in control of everything.

You economic points are duly noted; you want to fly to the space station and make money doing it. Fine. The problem is you do not want NASA involved except as a funnel for tax dollars. This is just business as usual except instead of a jobs project it is corporate welfare. The smoke and mirrors only works on true believers Rand.

Ike warned us about the military industrial complex- and it is the reason we started a space program, which was good, but then caused the early death of our space program, which was bad.

Ignoring the latest troll?

Fine with me. All I desire is to express my opinion; I would much rather just post and be left alone than insulted by foul mouthed children thank you.

As for the subtle suggestion I am a communist; the free market needs regulation. Alot of regulation. If that makes me a communist then that makes you fascists by putting corporations in control of everything.

You economic points are duly noted; you want to fly to the space station and make money doing it. Fine. The problem is you do not want NASA involved except as a funnel for tax dollars. This is just business as usual except instead of a jobs project it is corporate welfare. The smoke and mirrors only works on true believers Rand. I would slap you silly for calling me a moron if you said it to my face you coward.

“You are assuming the invisible hand of the market is actually a good thing and not a destructive force causing more harm than good in society.

I do not believe that so you are wasting your time on me. Sorry.”

What do you believe? That the government should do everything?

You do realize that the Department of Defense goes with a model many of us would be happy with, in that they spec what they want, and have the private market compete to supply their needs. They operate their own hardware, but they don’t build any of it. And they even use commercial products and services for non-war fighting needs. What’s wrong with that?

I do not believe that so you are wasting your time on me. Sorry.

Yes, it is a waste of time to attempt to have a rational discussion with someone utterly ignorant of economics. Time to ignore the latest troll, folks.

So, are we gonna nationalize ATK & Lockmart & Boeing?

What else are we gonna nationalize?

Ah, I see. You want the USA to lead in space, but not in the way that made it great, but using Soviet methods instead. Let us know how that works out.

Your basic premise is flawed. You are assuming the invisible hand of the market is actually a good thing and not a destructive force causing more harm than good in society.

I do not believe that so you are wasting your time on me. Sorry.

Why is advocating for a more cost effective, reusable, EDS rather than a disposable one, and throwing away expensive hardware, not wanting to explore BEO?

Why is advocating for launching your EDS, for BEO, unfueled on a smaller cheaper rocket rather than fully fueled on a big expensive rocket not wanting to do something other than the ISS?

Why is advocating for launching your lunar lander seperately on a smaller cheaper rocket, rather than a huge expensive rocket not wanting to do something other than ISS?

Read for comprehension please.

“Even eight HLV launches a year at 130 tons per launch is over a thousand tons and that is about 100 falcon 9′s and 1000 merlin engines expended. It makes no sense at all to struggle launching twice a week and piecing together a hundred payloads when you can send up 8 big modules”

Launch cost estimates for the Ares V were 1.5 to 2 billion per launch. Lets say your new 130 ton HLLV is only 1 billion per launch. Your 8 launches would cost 8 billion dollars and put up 1040 tons. It would take 94 launches of the F9 and cost 4.6 billion. If you used the Falcon 9 heavy it would take 30 launches and cost 2.8 billion.

Your eight 130 ton launches would use 80% of the NASA human space flight budget. The ISS gets 2 billion, you have now spent your entire NASA human spaceflight budget and you have not launched a single dime’s worth of hardware yet or even had the money to develop it and build it.

If you used the Falcon 9 heavy, you could launch 30 times for 2.8 billion, the ISS gets 2 billion and you have 5.2 billion left for actually putting up some hardware.

The ISS is 400 tons, you are proposing that NASA is going to launching 2.5 ISS’s worth of hardware every year? What are you building, battleship galatica?

You’re proposing to spend money on one single type of launch vehicle. I’m saying it’s better (and fairer) to let the market figure it out. What makes you think you know better than the market? And if you do, why don’t you go and make a killing on the stock market?