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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/04/20/supporting-space-in-florida/#comment-344844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 02:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Florida would be an ideal state for high speed rail since huge numbers of people already arrive and leave by ship and plane, having to rent cars to drive to lots where they catch the monorail to Disney or the busses at KSC, or park in huge long-term lots. A train linking the ports at Canaveral and Tampa with the Orlando airport, Disney and Sunrail would bring these people much closer to their destination before the need, if any, to drive. 

Autos are strangling Florida and the fatality rate from crashes is horrifying. Los Angeles, diffuse as it is, had an excellent public transit system until the oil and auto interests shut it down. Good public transit creates urban centers and transport hubs around its stations. 

A billion people travel by train and plane for every one that flies in space. The country and NASA need to focus on practical needs first or we will never be able to afford spaceflight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Florida would be an ideal state for high speed rail since huge numbers of people already arrive and leave by ship and plane, having to rent cars to drive to lots where they catch the monorail to Disney or the busses at KSC, or park in huge long-term lots. A train linking the ports at Canaveral and Tampa with the Orlando airport, Disney and Sunrail would bring these people much closer to their destination before the need, if any, to drive. </p>
<p>Autos are strangling Florida and the fatality rate from crashes is horrifying. Los Angeles, diffuse as it is, had an excellent public transit system until the oil and auto interests shut it down. Good public transit creates urban centers and transport hubs around its stations. </p>
<p>A billion people travel by train and plane for every one that flies in space. The country and NASA need to focus on practical needs first or we will never be able to afford spaceflight.</p>
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		<title>By: John Malkin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Malkin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Apr 2011 22:22:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think federal high-speed rail money could be better spent elsewhere in the budget.  America isn&#039;t a train country like Japan or European countries, not since the car.  Many Americans need to be forced via high gas prices to use public transportation.  It would be better to focus our money on smart and electric cars.

Also some of the money could be spent on advance space technologies and commercial crew systems. :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think federal high-speed rail money could be better spent elsewhere in the budget.  America isn&#8217;t a train country like Japan or European countries, not since the car.  Many Americans need to be forced via high gas prices to use public transportation.  It would be better to focus our money on smart and electric cars.</p>
<p>Also some of the money could be spent on advance space technologies and commercial crew systems. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 22:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Rick Scott reasoning is simple. He doesnâ€™t need high speed rail.&lt;/em&gt;

Most people in Florida don&#039;t need high-speed rail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Rick Scott reasoning is simple. He doesnâ€™t need high speed rail.</em></p>
<p>Most people in Florida don&#8217;t need high-speed rail.</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/04/20/supporting-space-in-florida/#comment-344783</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 19:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As opposed to building 20 more lanes of toll roads, which the public will pay for in tolls (made invisible by  automatic billing to a credit card, even though toll collection alone costs hundreds of millions), gas taxes and auto costs, as well as fatigue and the occasional fatal crash. 

Rick Scott reasoning is simple. He doesn&#039;t need high speed rail. But then, he has a private jet. If you don&#039;t have a private jet, you should consider high speed rail.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As opposed to building 20 more lanes of toll roads, which the public will pay for in tolls (made invisible by  automatic billing to a credit card, even though toll collection alone costs hundreds of millions), gas taxes and auto costs, as well as fatigue and the occasional fatal crash. </p>
<p>Rick Scott reasoning is simple. He doesn&#8217;t need high speed rail. But then, he has a private jet. If you don&#8217;t have a private jet, you should consider high speed rail.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 17:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;His reasoning in this is completely baffling.&lt;/em&gt;

His reasoning is very simple: it&#039;s a boondoggle that the state can&#039;t afford.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>His reasoning in this is completely baffling.</em></p>
<p>His reasoning is very simple: it&#8217;s a boondoggle that the state can&#8217;t afford.</p>
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		<title>By: E.P. Grondine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[E.P. Grondine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AW - 

&quot;Soviet style high-speed rail&quot;

You mean like Japan, France, and many other nations have?

If you&#039;ve ever ridden the Amtrak high speed versus any of the others you would know the difference. 

While this is going to be tough on short haul aircraft market, it has to be done, given oil supply and prices.

Also, given the importance of tourism, snowbirds, and retirees to Florida&#039;s economy, I think this decision may cost Scott re-election. His reasoning in this is completely baffling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AW &#8211; </p>
<p>&#8220;Soviet style high-speed rail&#8221;</p>
<p>You mean like Japan, France, and many other nations have?</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve ever ridden the Amtrak high speed versus any of the others you would know the difference. </p>
<p>While this is going to be tough on short haul aircraft market, it has to be done, given oil supply and prices.</p>
<p>Also, given the importance of tourism, snowbirds, and retirees to Florida&#8217;s economy, I think this decision may cost Scott re-election. His reasoning in this is completely baffling.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Major Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Obama did visit Titusville on August 2, 2008&quot;

Looks like the Post missed that one.  They have Obama in Orlando and St. Petersburg on August 1, 2008, but have nothing for August 2.

FWIW...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama did visit Titusville on August 2, 2008&#8243;</p>
<p>Looks like the Post missed that one.  They have Obama in Orlando and St. Petersburg on August 1, 2008, but have nothing for August 2.</p>
<p>FWIW&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 10:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Major Tom wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Moreover, the Washington Post data shows that the Obama campaign never visited Titusville or any Space Coast location, which reiterates the point I made earlier â€” that the KSC workforce is so small that space issues are swamped by issues of importance to other demographics, even in the space launch state of Florida.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sympathetic to your point of view, but Obama did visit Titusville on August 2, 2008.  Here&#039;s the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvAVSNRni4

This is the speech the local GOP and space worker unions often misquote to falsely claim that Obama said he would keep Constellation going and that no one would be laid off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Major Tom wrote:</p>
<p><i>Moreover, the Washington Post data shows that the Obama campaign never visited Titusville or any Space Coast location, which reiterates the point I made earlier â€” that the KSC workforce is so small that space issues are swamped by issues of importance to other demographics, even in the space launch state of Florida.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sympathetic to your point of view, but Obama did visit Titusville on August 2, 2008.  Here&#8217;s the video:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvAVSNRni4" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdvAVSNRni4</a></p>
<p>This is the speech the local GOP and space worker unions often misquote to falsely claim that Obama said he would keep Constellation going and that no one would be laid off.</p>
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		<title>By: Major Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Major Tom]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 03:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Yeah, Major Tom, both 2008 Presidential candidates spent so much time in the Tampa-Orlando-Brevard area because it didnâ€™t matter.&quot;

Compared to what?

According to the Washington Post, the winning campaign had Obama visit Tampa or Orlando only one time more than Miami or Miami Beach -- 10 visits to Tampa/Orlando versus 9 visits to Miami/Miami Beach (out of 44 total campaign stops in Florida).

projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/barack-obama/states/fl/

Whoop-dee-freaking-doo.  Since when does one more visit to a particular area of a state constitute &quot;so much time&quot; for a Presidential candidate making 44 visits in that state?  That represents only about 2% of the total time Obama spent in Florida.

Moreover, the Washington Post data shows that the Obama campaign never visited Titusville or any Space Coast location, which reiterates the point I made earlier -- that the KSC workforce is so small that space issues are swamped by issues of importance to other demographics, even in the space launch state of Florida.

&quot;Tell me, which Presidential campaign were you working on?&quot;

Why does it matter?  I&#039;m either able to read my own sources and understand the difference between counties and media markets, percentages and votes, and so much or &quot;one&quot;.

Or not.

Oy vey...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yeah, Major Tom, both 2008 Presidential candidates spent so much time in the Tampa-Orlando-Brevard area because it didnâ€™t matter.&#8221;</p>
<p>Compared to what?</p>
<p>According to the Washington Post, the winning campaign had Obama visit Tampa or Orlando only one time more than Miami or Miami Beach &#8212; 10 visits to Tampa/Orlando versus 9 visits to Miami/Miami Beach (out of 44 total campaign stops in Florida).</p>
<p>projects.washingtonpost.com/2008-presidential-candidates/tracker/candidates/barack-obama/states/fl/</p>
<p>Whoop-dee-freaking-doo.  Since when does one more visit to a particular area of a state constitute &#8220;so much time&#8221; for a Presidential candidate making 44 visits in that state?  That represents only about 2% of the total time Obama spent in Florida.</p>
<p>Moreover, the Washington Post data shows that the Obama campaign never visited Titusville or any Space Coast location, which reiterates the point I made earlier &#8212; that the KSC workforce is so small that space issues are swamped by issues of importance to other demographics, even in the space launch state of Florida.</p>
<p>&#8220;Tell me, which Presidential campaign were you working on?&#8221;</p>
<p>Why does it matter?  I&#8217;m either able to read my own sources and understand the difference between counties and media markets, percentages and votes, and so much or &#8220;one&#8221;.</p>
<p>Or not.</p>
<p>Oy vey&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: reader</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Apr 2011 01:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What Cafferty missed, is that there is no &quot;trip to the moon&quot; being funded. Just a make-work frankenrocket, cobbled together from old parts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Cafferty missed, is that there is no &#8220;trip to the moon&#8221; being funded. Just a make-work frankenrocket, cobbled together from old parts.</p>
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