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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350325</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:30:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 6:53 am

&quot;&lt;i&gt;With all due respect â€¦ Iâ€™ve said it many times, and itâ€™s unfortunate that no one listens, but the best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Even that doesn&#039;t always work (ignoring them), since now they are blasting each other and keeping the threads going.

Usually when I decide to engage it&#039;s in response to a topic I want to discuss with the audience in general, and not necessarily with the normally closed-minded trolls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen C. Smith wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 6:53 am</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>With all due respect â€¦ Iâ€™ve said it many times, and itâ€™s unfortunate that no one listens, but the best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Even that doesn&#8217;t always work (ignoring them), since now they are blasting each other and keeping the threads going.</p>
<p>Usually when I decide to engage it&#8217;s in response to a topic I want to discuss with the audience in general, and not necessarily with the normally closed-minded trolls.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350269</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 6:53 am 
With all due respect â€¦ Iâ€™ve said it many times, and itâ€™s unfortunate that no one listens...

&#039;With all due respect,&#039;--perhaps you haven&#039;t caught on- folks listen to your POV... it&#039;s just nobody attaches any value to it. The atmosphere of Jupiter is dense, as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen C. Smith wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 6:53 am<br />
With all due respect â€¦ Iâ€™ve said it many times, and itâ€™s unfortunate that no one listens&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8216;With all due respect,&#8217;&#8211;perhaps you haven&#8217;t caught on- folks listen to your POV&#8230; it&#8217;s just nobody attaches any value to it. The atmosphere of Jupiter is dense, as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350256</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Gasser wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm 

It use to be Whittington&#039;s position that a project like SLS was a bad thing.  He has moved as his politics dictate, but he was once against what he is now for RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Gasser wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 12:52 pm </p>
<p>It use to be Whittington&#8217;s position that a project like SLS was a bad thing.  He has moved as his politics dictate, but he was once against what he is now for RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Gasser</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350247</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Gasser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 16:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am sorry I did not respond to this sooner.  Mr. Mark Whittington, you have never once called, emailed, or otherwise contacted me.  I would be happy to sit down with you, or anyone, and talk about fiscal responsibility, limited governments, and free markets in American Space Policy.

There are many Tea Party groups.  Most are local as all politics is local.  There are also state and national coordinators.  However, TEA Party in Space is a national organization.  We are non-partisan.  We work inside NASA states and also outside of NASA states.  We work with state coordinators as we plan for the 2012 election so the Tea Party has a sound space platform which you can see on our website.

And yes, it is our position that SLS violates the Tea Party core values of fiscal responsibility.  The fact that we have wasted billions and have nothing to show for it speaks volumes.  So does JWST for that matter.

Sorry I did not reply sooner, but frankly, I am just too busy to respond to a few trolls who try to discredit the Tea Party.  Jeff&#039;s sight is awesome and I am thankful to post here.  I just wish I had more time to post valuable content from time to time...

...now back to NewSpace2011 and the sub-orbital panel.

Respectfully,
Andrew Gasser
TEA Party in Space]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry I did not respond to this sooner.  Mr. Mark Whittington, you have never once called, emailed, or otherwise contacted me.  I would be happy to sit down with you, or anyone, and talk about fiscal responsibility, limited governments, and free markets in American Space Policy.</p>
<p>There are many Tea Party groups.  Most are local as all politics is local.  There are also state and national coordinators.  However, TEA Party in Space is a national organization.  We are non-partisan.  We work inside NASA states and also outside of NASA states.  We work with state coordinators as we plan for the 2012 election so the Tea Party has a sound space platform which you can see on our website.</p>
<p>And yes, it is our position that SLS violates the Tea Party core values of fiscal responsibility.  The fact that we have wasted billions and have nothing to show for it speaks volumes.  So does JWST for that matter.</p>
<p>Sorry I did not reply sooner, but frankly, I am just too busy to respond to a few trolls who try to discredit the Tea Party.  Jeff&#8217;s sight is awesome and I am thankful to post here.  I just wish I had more time to post valuable content from time to time&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;now back to NewSpace2011 and the sub-orbital panel.</p>
<p>Respectfully,<br />
Andrew Gasser<br />
TEA Party in Space</p>
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		<title>By: amightywind</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350239</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[amightywind]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 12:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;cite&gt;Lets hope that Bigelow will have oneof his inflatable stations up by the time they deorbit the ISS!&lt;/cite&gt;

You could fund one of their modules with a fraction of the annual ISS budget. A modest space station with support for space tourism makes infinitely more sense than the international white elephant orbiting now. Fortunately for the budget, ISS has only a slim chance of making it to 2020. A major malfunction of the kind that has already occurred will bring it down.

&lt;cite&gt;Every point the Dow drops pushes space further down the list of national priorities.&lt;/cite&gt;

I am watching carefully, ever ready to jump in and be &#039;greedy when others are fearful&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><cite>Lets hope that Bigelow will have oneof his inflatable stations up by the time they deorbit the ISS!</cite></p>
<p>You could fund one of their modules with a fraction of the annual ISS budget. A modest space station with support for space tourism makes infinitely more sense than the international white elephant orbiting now. Fortunately for the budget, ISS has only a slim chance of making it to 2020. A major malfunction of the kind that has already occurred will bring it down.</p>
<p><cite>Every point the Dow drops pushes space further down the list of national priorities.</cite></p>
<p>I am watching carefully, ever ready to jump in and be &#8216;greedy when others are fearful&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Russell-Gough</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350238</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Russell-Gough]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the time of the 1983 General Election in the UK, the Labour Party&#039;s election manifesto was described by some commentators as &quot;the longest suicide note in modern political history&quot;.  If this &#039;plan&#039; that NSF have scooped &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; the final SLS plan, and these pessimistic schedules are borne out by the independent cost estimators (and this move suddenly has a wholely different feel in the light of this revelation), then it represents NASA HSF&#039;s equivalent statement of intent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the time of the 1983 General Election in the UK, the Labour Party&#8217;s election manifesto was described by some commentators as &#8220;the longest suicide note in modern political history&#8221;.  If this &#8216;plan&#8217; that NSF have scooped <i>is</i> the final SLS plan, and these pessimistic schedules are borne out by the independent cost estimators (and this move suddenly has a wholely different feel in the light of this revelation), then it represents NASA HSF&#8217;s equivalent statement of intent.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350237</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bennett wrote:

&lt;i&gt;You made a grand exit a few months ago (remember that?) and no one missed you. We still had a couple of trolls around, but at least it was one less classless fool.&lt;/i&gt;

With all due respect ... I&#039;ve said it many times, and it&#039;s unfortunate that no one listens, but the best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them.  If they get no response, it drives them batty as you deny them the attention they want.  I don&#039;t respond when certain trolls post insults attacking me personally.  I wish everyone else would follow the same policy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bennett wrote:</p>
<p><i>You made a grand exit a few months ago (remember that?) and no one missed you. We still had a couple of trolls around, but at least it was one less classless fool.</i></p>
<p>With all due respect &#8230; I&#8217;ve said it many times, and it&#8217;s unfortunate that no one listens, but the best way to deal with the trolls is to ignore them.  If they get no response, it drives them batty as you deny them the attention they want.  I don&#8217;t respond when certain trolls post insults attacking me personally.  I wish everyone else would follow the same policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350236</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler wrote:

&lt;i&gt;the title says it allâ€¦this is the final â€œendâ€ game for SLS&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m generally leery of anything that shows up on NASASpaceflight.com since they seem to be rah-rah for the status quo ... But in any case, if one reads through the article it still says the first unmanned flight will be in December 2017, an unmanned mission to send Orion around the Moon.

(Some wags will no doubt suggest it be a one-way trip ...)

The manned mission to orbit the Moon would be August 2021.

Of course, all of this is theoretical.  It&#039;s up to Congress to approve it, and they haven&#039;t, which is why I wouldn&#039;t take this article too seriously.  And the article does say these dates are based on a worst-case poor-funding scenario.

The dates do generally align with what Charlie said in Congressional testimony recently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert G. Oler wrote:</p>
<p><i>the title says it allâ€¦this is the final â€œendâ€ game for SLS</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m generally leery of anything that shows up on NASASpaceflight.com since they seem to be rah-rah for the status quo &#8230; But in any case, if one reads through the article it still says the first unmanned flight will be in December 2017, an unmanned mission to send Orion around the Moon.</p>
<p>(Some wags will no doubt suggest it be a one-way trip &#8230;)</p>
<p>The manned mission to orbit the Moon would be August 2021.</p>
<p>Of course, all of this is theoretical.  It&#8217;s up to Congress to approve it, and they haven&#8217;t, which is why I wouldn&#8217;t take this article too seriously.  And the article does say these dates are based on a worst-case poor-funding scenario.</p>
<p>The dates do generally align with what Charlie said in Congressional testimony recently.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350235</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 10:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ben Russell-Gough wrote:

&lt;i&gt;NASA has not lost the ability to orbit astronauts for the first time in 50 years. It has lost the ability to do so for the first time in 30 years.&lt;/i&gt;

Depends on how one defines &quot;ability.&quot;  Shuttle was down twice, in the mid-1980s after &lt;i&gt;Challenger&lt;/i&gt; and mid-2000s after &lt;i&gt;Columbia&lt;/i&gt;.  In fact, after the latter we relied on the Russians for 2 1/2 years.

It&#039;s just another lie made up by the people trying to protect the porking status quo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Russell-Gough wrote:</p>
<p><i>NASA has not lost the ability to orbit astronauts for the first time in 50 years. It has lost the ability to do so for the first time in 30 years.</i></p>
<p>Depends on how one defines &#8220;ability.&#8221;  Shuttle was down twice, in the mid-1980s after <i>Challenger</i> and mid-2000s after <i>Columbia</i>.  In fact, after the latter we relied on the Russians for 2 1/2 years.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just another lie made up by the people trying to protect the porking status quo.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/07/27/briefly-optimism-pessimism-and-export-control/#comment-350234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2011 09:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Robert G. Oler wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 1:32 am 
Uh, no, actually, Oler, this says it all:

http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/57520-russia-says-it-will-sink-the-international-space-station]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert G. Oler wrote @ July 28th, 2011 at 1:32 am<br />
Uh, no, actually, Oler, this says it all:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/57520-russia-says-it-will-sink-the-international-space-station" rel="nofollow">http://www.tgdaily.com/space-features/57520-russia-says-it-will-sink-the-international-space-station</a></p>
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