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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/08/19/another-round-of-belt-tightening/#comment-352417</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 04:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote @ August 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm &amp; 4:22 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;And, like you, theyâ€™d be wrong.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

That the Moon circles the Earth?  You and Windy spinning out of control again...

&quot;&lt;i&gt;The ISS is in LEO, 300 miles upâ€¦ the moon is 240,000 miles out- hardly LEOâ€“ Low Earth Orbit.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, but I never mentioned how high the orbit of the ISS and Moon were, just that both circled the Earth &quot;endlessly&quot; - do you have imaginary friends too?  ;-)

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Musk is no Von Braun.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

And von Braun was no Elon Musk - how many startups did he take through IPO?  Of course you&#039;re no von Braun either, so you&#039;re hardly one to make comparisons.  How many rockets have you designed and flown?

Of course if you &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; Elon Musk, you would have received the following recognitions:

&lt;i&gt;- One of Forbes 2011 &quot;America&#039;s 20 Most Powerful CEOs 40 And Under&quot;

- Recognized as a Living Legend in Aviation in 2010 by the Kitty Hawk Foundation for creating the successor to the Space Shuttle (Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon spacecraft). Other awardees include Buzz Aldrin and Richard Branson.

- National Space Society&#039;s Von Braun Trophy in 2008/2009, given for leadership of the most significant achievement in space. Prior recipients include Burt Rutan and Steve Squyres.

- Aviation Week 2008 Laureate for the most significant achievement worldwide in the space industry.&lt;/i&gt;

I hope these don&#039;t add to your feelings of insignificance...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote @ August 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm &amp; 4:22 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>And, like you, theyâ€™d be wrong.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>That the Moon circles the Earth?  You and Windy spinning out of control again&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>The ISS is in LEO, 300 miles upâ€¦ the moon is 240,000 miles out- hardly LEOâ€“ Low Earth Orbit.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I know you have trouble with reading comprehension, but I never mentioned how high the orbit of the ISS and Moon were, just that both circled the Earth &#8220;endlessly&#8221; &#8211; do you have imaginary friends too?  <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif" alt=";-)" class="wp-smiley" /></p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Musk is no Von Braun.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>And von Braun was no Elon Musk &#8211; how many startups did he take through IPO?  Of course you&#8217;re no von Braun either, so you&#8217;re hardly one to make comparisons.  How many rockets have you designed and flown?</p>
<p>Of course if you <i>were</i> Elon Musk, you would have received the following recognitions:</p>
<p><i>- One of Forbes 2011 &#8220;America&#8217;s 20 Most Powerful CEOs 40 And Under&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8211; Recognized as a Living Legend in Aviation in 2010 by the Kitty Hawk Foundation for creating the successor to the Space Shuttle (Falcon 9 rocket and Dragon spacecraft). Other awardees include Buzz Aldrin and Richard Branson.</p>
<p>&#8211; National Space Society&#8217;s Von Braun Trophy in 2008/2009, given for leadership of the most significant achievement in space. Prior recipients include Burt Rutan and Steve Squyres.</p>
<p>&#8211; Aviation Week 2008 Laureate for the most significant achievement worldwide in the space industry.</i></p>
<p>I hope these don&#8217;t add to your feelings of insignificance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Alan wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 7:36 am 

Suggest you review the development of the H-1 and how the cluster design for Saturn, derived from Redstone and Jupiter components, fit nicely with the economics and engineering of the time. Musk is no Von Braun.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alan wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 7:36 am </p>
<p>Suggest you review the development of the H-1 and how the cluster design for Saturn, derived from Redstone and Jupiter components, fit nicely with the economics and engineering of the time. Musk is no Von Braun.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 20:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Coastal Ron wrote @ August 24th, 2011 at 12:55 am 
DCSCA wrote @ August 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 am

â€œAnd BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles.â€ Go ask your neighborhood school kids, and they will tell you that the Moon goes in circles around the Earth, just like the ISS.

And, like you, they&#039;d be wrong. The ISS is in LEO, 300 miles up... the moon  is 240,000 miles out- hardly LEO-- Low Earth Orbit.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Coastal Ron wrote @ August 24th, 2011 at 12:55 am<br />
DCSCA wrote @ August 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 am</p>
<p>â€œAnd BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles.â€ Go ask your neighborhood school kids, and they will tell you that the Moon goes in circles around the Earth, just like the ISS.</p>
<p>And, like you, they&#8217;d be wrong. The ISS is in LEO, 300 miles up&#8230; the moon  is 240,000 miles out- hardly LEO&#8211; Low Earth Orbit.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote @ August 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 am

&quot;&lt;i&gt;And BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

See, that&#039;s why people have a hard time taking you seriously, because you make lame arguments.

Go ask your neighborhood school kids, and they will tell you that the Moon goes in circles around the Earth, just like the ISS.

And the work we&#039;re doing on the ISS doesn&#039;t depend on being in LEO, it could be a L1, but logistically it&#039;s much less expensive to have it only 200 miles away in LEO.  But since you think money grows on trees, or magically appears in the hands of politicians, doing things in a sustainable way doesn&#039;t sound like much fun.  I&#039;m glad you have no say in our space program...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote @ August 23rd, 2011 at 5:04 am</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>And BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>See, that&#8217;s why people have a hard time taking you seriously, because you make lame arguments.</p>
<p>Go ask your neighborhood school kids, and they will tell you that the Moon goes in circles around the Earth, just like the ISS.</p>
<p>And the work we&#8217;re doing on the ISS doesn&#8217;t depend on being in LEO, it could be a L1, but logistically it&#8217;s much less expensive to have it only 200 miles away in LEO.  But since you think money grows on trees, or magically appears in the hands of politicians, doing things in a sustainable way doesn&#8217;t sound like much fun.  I&#8217;m glad you have no say in our space program&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 09:04:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Coastal Ron wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 7:12 pm 
More press releases. And BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles. But take pride in Gemini redux. Or N-1 redux. 27 engines LOL Tick-tock, tick-tock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Coastal Ron wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 7:12 pm<br />
More press releases. And BTW, LEO is a ticket to no place, going in circles. But take pride in Gemini redux. Or N-1 redux. 27 engines LOL Tick-tock, tick-tock.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 03:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;2016 will be a lot of crow eating for youâ€¦&lt;/em&gt;

Why would a pseudonymous troll ever have to eat crow?  No one knows who the creature is to call it on its insane predictions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>2016 will be a lot of crow eating for youâ€¦</em></p>
<p>Why would a pseudonymous troll ever have to eat crow?  No one knows who the creature is to call it on its insane predictions.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote:

&lt;I&gt;&quot;in other words, it is NOT showing any profit. End of story.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And if the company does show a profit? What then? We all no you have a sick and twisted hatred for him, so .. what then? He is not selling 1 million units a month?

When SpaceX launches a crew then what? We know the goal posts always move with you so .. then what? He hasn&#039;t launched to the moon yet, so nothing he has done matters. Yours is a sick game. Your blind hatred has clouded both your eyes and reason. So why not just do a &quot;Musk hasn&#039;t launched anyone to another star system tick tock tick tock&quot; and get it over with. Your hatred and twisted sense of logic dictates you will never stop moving the goal posts so just get it over with and do the last one and be done with it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;in other words, it is NOT showing any profit. End of story.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And if the company does show a profit? What then? We all no you have a sick and twisted hatred for him, so .. what then? He is not selling 1 million units a month?</p>
<p>When SpaceX launches a crew then what? We know the goal posts always move with you so .. then what? He hasn&#8217;t launched to the moon yet, so nothing he has done matters. Yours is a sick game. Your blind hatred has clouded both your eyes and reason. So why not just do a &#8220;Musk hasn&#8217;t launched anyone to another star system tick tock tick tock&#8221; and get it over with. Your hatred and twisted sense of logic dictates you will never stop moving the goal posts so just get it over with and do the last one and be done with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Beancounter from Downunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Beancounter from Downunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 02:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 am 
Heâ€™s the saviouf of HSF, flies nobody and plans to retire on Mars. Havenâ€™t you heard??? Tick-tock, tick-tockâ€¦. 27 enginesâ€¦ LOL

Well this sure looks like envy to me.  Oh well!  Nuff said.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 6:24 am<br />
Heâ€™s the saviouf of HSF, flies nobody and plans to retire on Mars. Havenâ€™t you heard??? Tick-tock, tick-tockâ€¦. 27 enginesâ€¦ LOL</p>
<p>Well this sure looks like envy to me.  Oh well!  Nuff said.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 00:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;I&gt;&quot;2016 will be a lot of crow eating for you&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, he is the type that will just move the goal posts and do his tick tocking for a flight to the moon or mars. It really doesn&#039;t matter what SpaceX does, his open hatred of Elon Musk is so twisted that he will just pin his spin to something else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;2016 will be a lot of crow eating for you&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, he is the type that will just move the goal posts and do his tick tocking for a flight to the moon or mars. It really doesn&#8217;t matter what SpaceX does, his open hatred of Elon Musk is so twisted that he will just pin his spin to something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DCSCA wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;They built several and reached the moon.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Yes and Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492.  All ancient history.

Are any spaceship designers from the Apollo area still active at MSFC?  Or Shuttle designers?

That&#039;s the point that totally went over your head.

But now there are four (4) commercial companies building reusable LEO spacecraft, whereas the latest version of the NASA MPCV is not reusable.  Hmm, I guess all that technical knowledge rests with the commercial aerospace industry now, especially since NASA doesn&#039;t need it.

2016 will be a lot of crow eating for you...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DCSCA wrote @ August 22nd, 2011 at 4:16 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>They built several and reached the moon.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes and Columbus sailed the ocean blue in 1492.  All ancient history.</p>
<p>Are any spaceship designers from the Apollo area still active at MSFC?  Or Shuttle designers?</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the point that totally went over your head.</p>
<p>But now there are four (4) commercial companies building reusable LEO spacecraft, whereas the latest version of the NASA MPCV is not reusable.  Hmm, I guess all that technical knowledge rests with the commercial aerospace industry now, especially since NASA doesn&#8217;t need it.</p>
<p>2016 will be a lot of crow eating for you&#8230;</p>
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