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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leon McKinney wrote @ October 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm

Are you a drive-by commenter, or do you want to get down into the details and explain your points of view?

If you don&#039;t respond, we&#039;ll have to assume you came here to contribute rhetoric, but nothing substantial.

If you do respond, you can do your part to elevate the discourse by laying out the rationale for whatever it is that you support.  I&#039;ll even go first - I support those things that lower the cost to access space.  Notice there is no political affiliation there, and I really don&#039;t care which party someone is from that shares my views.  There are Republicans &amp; Democrats that share those views, and Republicans &amp; Democrats that are idiots for not sharing them.  Get the point?

Now maybe you&#039;re a Cain supporter - and that&#039;s OK - but until there is a little &quot;meat on the bones&quot; for what he is saying, he&#039;s just another politician flapping his gums on something that he&#039;s not known to be an expert at.

So join the conversation, tell us what you believe, and stick around to not only defend it but win over converts.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leon McKinney wrote @ October 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm</p>
<p>Are you a drive-by commenter, or do you want to get down into the details and explain your points of view?</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t respond, we&#8217;ll have to assume you came here to contribute rhetoric, but nothing substantial.</p>
<p>If you do respond, you can do your part to elevate the discourse by laying out the rationale for whatever it is that you support.  I&#8217;ll even go first &#8211; I support those things that lower the cost to access space.  Notice there is no political affiliation there, and I really don&#8217;t care which party someone is from that shares my views.  There are Republicans &#038; Democrats that share those views, and Republicans &#038; Democrats that are idiots for not sharing them.  Get the point?</p>
<p>Now maybe you&#8217;re a Cain supporter &#8211; and that&#8217;s OK &#8211; but until there is a little &#8220;meat on the bones&#8221; for what he is saying, he&#8217;s just another politician flapping his gums on something that he&#8217;s not known to be an expert at.</p>
<p>So join the conversation, tell us what you believe, and stick around to not only defend it but win over converts.</p>
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		<title>By: Leon McKinney</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leon McKinney]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see that even here, the most &quot;hate speech&quot; is directed towards Cain, Republicans, the Tea Party, and, well, pretty much anyone who didn&#039;t vote for Obamarama, and - gee, what a surprise - it comes from liberals, who can be relied on to scream &quot;hate speech&quot; and &quot;racists!&quot; as a Pavlovian reaction anytime someone crticizes Saint Obamarama.  But I digress...
My main observation is that this country CLEARLY is so dysfunctional in so many ways that we can&#039;t even have a reasonably civil conversation about space access capability.  This is appalling...
At least Cain is the first GOP candidate I&#039;ve heard mention space and while his grasp of space issues surely is less than most AIAA members&#039;, I&#039;d bet most of the bloggers above - especially the really snarky ones - would get big &#039;ol Fs on tests of their knowledge of other subject areas that are important to millions of other Americans.
If we can&#039;t do better than the discourse above, we might as well as buy prayer rugs now - before the rush - and start learning Farsi, Mandarin and Russian - just to hedge our bets on who takes us over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see that even here, the most &#8220;hate speech&#8221; is directed towards Cain, Republicans, the Tea Party, and, well, pretty much anyone who didn&#8217;t vote for Obamarama, and &#8211; gee, what a surprise &#8211; it comes from liberals, who can be relied on to scream &#8220;hate speech&#8221; and &#8220;racists!&#8221; as a Pavlovian reaction anytime someone crticizes Saint Obamarama.  But I digress&#8230;<br />
My main observation is that this country CLEARLY is so dysfunctional in so many ways that we can&#8217;t even have a reasonably civil conversation about space access capability.  This is appalling&#8230;<br />
At least Cain is the first GOP candidate I&#8217;ve heard mention space and while his grasp of space issues surely is less than most AIAA members&#8217;, I&#8217;d bet most of the bloggers above &#8211; especially the really snarky ones &#8211; would get big &#8216;ol Fs on tests of their knowledge of other subject areas that are important to millions of other Americans.<br />
If we can&#8217;t do better than the discourse above, we might as well as buy prayer rugs now &#8211; before the rush &#8211; and start learning Farsi, Mandarin and Russian &#8211; just to hedge our bets on who takes us over.</p>
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		<title>By: common sense</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[common sense]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 22:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Rick Boozer wrote @ October 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

&quot;Just as sure as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real and OJ didnâ€™t do it.&quot;

Rick what&#039;s wrong with you? Okay OJ may have done it, possibly. BUT Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny???? Come on I saw them both with my own eyes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rick Boozer wrote @ October 20th, 2011 at 2:58 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;Just as sure as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real and OJ didnâ€™t do it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rick what&#8217;s wrong with you? Okay OJ may have done it, possibly. BUT Santa Claus? The Easter Bunny???? Come on I saw them both with my own eyes.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Chris Castro
&lt;I&gt;&quot;We were headed towards the Moon, for a new great round of exploration, before this president first took office.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
Yes, indeed. Just as sure as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real and OJ didn&#039;t do it.

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The reason there is a legion of people like me, who totally hate this commercial space direction, is because NASA apparently had to give up so much of the grand &amp; noble stuff, just so that these crony capitalists can set up shop at flying millionaires out 200 miles up for ISS â€œvacationâ€ stays!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
OOOOH! Be careful.  You&#039;re stealing some of ablastofhotair&#039;s signature moronic platitudes.  If you really give a &lt;i&gt;damn&lt;/i&gt; about America&#039;s future in space you&#039;ll take the blinders off.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Chris Castro<br />
<i>&#8220;We were headed towards the Moon, for a new great round of exploration, before this president first took office.&#8221;</i><br />
Yes, indeed. Just as sure as Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are real and OJ didn&#8217;t do it.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;The reason there is a legion of people like me, who totally hate this commercial space direction, is because NASA apparently had to give up so much of the grand &amp; noble stuff, just so that these crony capitalists can set up shop at flying millionaires out 200 miles up for ISS â€œvacationâ€ stays!&#8221;</i><br />
OOOOH! Be careful.  You&#8217;re stealing some of ablastofhotair&#8217;s signature moronic platitudes.  If you really give a <i>damn</i> about America&#8217;s future in space you&#8217;ll take the blinders off.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Dennis
&lt;i&gt;&quot;This would be a move in the right direction. If only someone would do something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;
And something is being done.  One step at a time we will get back to the lunar surface, rather than try to do it in one slap happy underfunded crash program with the BMFR SLS. The latter method will never allow such a landing because it won&#039;t be affordable with any budget the Congress is liable to allocate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dennis<br />
<i>&#8220;This would be a move in the right direction. If only someone would do something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!&#8221;</i><br />
And something is being done.  One step at a time we will get back to the lunar surface, rather than try to do it in one slap happy underfunded crash program with the BMFR SLS. The latter method will never allow such a landing because it won&#8217;t be affordable with any budget the Congress is liable to allocate.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dennis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 17:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought Bigelow had plans for a lunar base, made from his inflatables?  This would be a move in the right direction.  If only someone would do something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Bigelow had plans for a lunar base, made from his inflatables?  This would be a move in the right direction.  If only someone would do something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 16:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aremis Asling wrote:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;And given that Cain leans heavier on his private commerce street cred than anyone else in the field, I suspect he would be far more likely to be a ComSpace booster than a BGR (Big Government Rocket) booster (pun intended). Picking BGR to the detriment of ComSpace would be so far outside of his particular character as a candidate I suspect he would do so merely as a ploy to get past the primary&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

He&#039;s a politician, so follow the money. If he starts recieving  money from ATK, Lockheed Martin et cetera, you will see his space &quot;philosophy&quot; evolve to include them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aremis Asling wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;And given that Cain leans heavier on his private commerce street cred than anyone else in the field, I suspect he would be far more likely to be a ComSpace booster than a BGR (Big Government Rocket) booster (pun intended). Picking BGR to the detriment of ComSpace would be so far outside of his particular character as a candidate I suspect he would do so merely as a ploy to get past the primary&#8221;</i></p>
<p>He&#8217;s a politician, so follow the money. If he starts recieving  money from ATK, Lockheed Martin et cetera, you will see his space &#8220;philosophy&#8221; evolve to include them.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Mehawich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt Mehawich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 15:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It would be nice to have NASA do all of the grand and noble stuff, but where is the cash to pay for it?  If we permanently increase NASA budget there would be all kinds of things we could do, but seeing how much of an unpopular proposition that is, it just isnt going to happen anytime soon.  The number one barrier to space access is the cost/launch and the only way those numbers are going to come down is through the commercialization of space whether you like it or not.  2 launches/year of the SLS monstrosity is not going to put a colony on the moon.  Further- moon base proponents also like to ignore the costs associated with that.  If the ISS cost 100B+ what is a moon colony going to cost and where is the public support for that?  Especially with the economy still tanking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have NASA do all of the grand and noble stuff, but where is the cash to pay for it?  If we permanently increase NASA budget there would be all kinds of things we could do, but seeing how much of an unpopular proposition that is, it just isnt going to happen anytime soon.  The number one barrier to space access is the cost/launch and the only way those numbers are going to come down is through the commercialization of space whether you like it or not.  2 launches/year of the SLS monstrosity is not going to put a colony on the moon.  Further- moon base proponents also like to ignore the costs associated with that.  If the ISS cost 100B+ what is a moon colony going to cost and where is the public support for that?  Especially with the economy still tanking.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Castro</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Castro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Oct 2011 07:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Herman Cain is right on the money. I wish some of the other candidates would just speak out against Obama&#039;s Space Policy, and state in clear English, just what a freaking decade-long debacle of foreign-space-access-dependence that the President has put the once-mighty American space program into. We were headed towards the Moon, for a new great round of exploration, before this president first took office. The reason there is a legion of people like me, who totally hate this commercial space direction, is because NASA apparently had to give up so much of the grand &amp; noble stuff, just so that these crony capitalists can set up shop at flying millionaires out 200 miles up for ISS &quot;vacation&quot; stays!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herman Cain is right on the money. I wish some of the other candidates would just speak out against Obama&#8217;s Space Policy, and state in clear English, just what a freaking decade-long debacle of foreign-space-access-dependence that the President has put the once-mighty American space program into. We were headed towards the Moon, for a new great round of exploration, before this president first took office. The reason there is a legion of people like me, who totally hate this commercial space direction, is because NASA apparently had to give up so much of the grand &amp; noble stuff, just so that these crony capitalists can set up shop at flying millionaires out 200 miles up for ISS &#8220;vacation&#8221; stays!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Oct 2011 20:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andrew Gasser wrote @ October 18th, 2011 at 8:14 pm 

anyone who argues in any fashion for &quot;SDI&quot; or &quot;Star Wars&quot; or whatever notion one wants to put on the goofy idea of weaponizing space is in this time period goofy.

The problem in the US economy is to large measure that we are spending money lots of money on things which have almost no value to society, civilization or even American history.  I dont know exactly what the total so far on &quot;Bush&#039;s wars that Obama has continued&quot; but its in the many trillions...The US, Russia, and Chinese have figured it out; nuclear war is unwinnable in the conventional &quot;win&quot; sense of war...and to spend billions/hundreds of billions/trillions today on a &quot;space shield&quot; is simply asking for another arms race...or worse is simply asking to spend money the US does not have on a system that it doesnt need.

There are regional &quot;nuke power&quot; issues and they are going to be challenging over the next decade.  The &quot;nuclear farce&quot; countries, countries with nuclear firecrackers that are more statements of &quot;manhood&quot; then anything else will not bat an eye with &quot;Star Wars&quot; because it would have no affect on them.

I dont know if Cain is just uninformed or is pandering to right wing idiots whose testosterone runs high until they actually have to think about going to combat (go see Whittington&#039;s home page where he routinely post links to shows which are &quot;muscle shows&quot;)..but in any event both take him out of the serious space person.  You might be able to help him become serious; but as long as support for &quot;space weapons&quot; is part of his rhetoric, he is simply one of the two choices above. RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew Gasser wrote @ October 18th, 2011 at 8:14 pm </p>
<p>anyone who argues in any fashion for &#8220;SDI&#8221; or &#8220;Star Wars&#8221; or whatever notion one wants to put on the goofy idea of weaponizing space is in this time period goofy.</p>
<p>The problem in the US economy is to large measure that we are spending money lots of money on things which have almost no value to society, civilization or even American history.  I dont know exactly what the total so far on &#8220;Bush&#8217;s wars that Obama has continued&#8221; but its in the many trillions&#8230;The US, Russia, and Chinese have figured it out; nuclear war is unwinnable in the conventional &#8220;win&#8221; sense of war&#8230;and to spend billions/hundreds of billions/trillions today on a &#8220;space shield&#8221; is simply asking for another arms race&#8230;or worse is simply asking to spend money the US does not have on a system that it doesnt need.</p>
<p>There are regional &#8220;nuke power&#8221; issues and they are going to be challenging over the next decade.  The &#8220;nuclear farce&#8221; countries, countries with nuclear firecrackers that are more statements of &#8220;manhood&#8221; then anything else will not bat an eye with &#8220;Star Wars&#8221; because it would have no affect on them.</p>
<p>I dont know if Cain is just uninformed or is pandering to right wing idiots whose testosterone runs high until they actually have to think about going to combat (go see Whittington&#8217;s home page where he routinely post links to shows which are &#8220;muscle shows&#8221;)..but in any event both take him out of the serious space person.  You might be able to help him become serious; but as long as support for &#8220;space weapons&#8221; is part of his rhetoric, he is simply one of the two choices above. RGO</p>
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