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	<title>Comments on: House-Senate agreement would give NASA $17.8 billion in 2012</title>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 16:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;We became that during Bush the last when he lied about Iraq and its threat to us&lt;/em&gt;

Bush did not &quot;lie&quot; about Iraq.  As you would say, goofy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>We became that during Bush the last when he lied about Iraq and its threat to us</em></p>
<p>Bush did not &#8220;lie&#8221; about Iraq.  As you would say, goofy.</p>
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		<title>By: josh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[josh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Nov 2011 00:46:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark, do you even believe what you say yourself? I doubt it. Otherwise...ouch.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, do you even believe what you say yourself? I doubt it. Otherwise&#8230;ouch.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Kugler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Justin Kugler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 21:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[All this budget illustrates is the power of entrenched political interests, Whittington.  You&#039;re just projecting.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All this budget illustrates is the power of entrenched political interests, Whittington.  You&#8217;re just projecting.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Building a heavy lifter capable of sending people beyond LEO is on the same level as building an aircraft carrier to strike at enemies of the Republic. Each serves a national need.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

So you&#039;re saying that NASA&#039;s equivalent of a big truck is the same as force projection and national security?  I don&#039;t think you understand what the military does.

But setting aside your lack of understanding for the military, the SLS is still a rocket looking for a payload and a mission.  Other than Apollo 8 redux, there are no SLS-specific missions funded or even planned.

The SLS is a faith-based initiative, in that people like you have faith that some day there will be a need for at least one SLS rocket.  When?  No one knows, but when that time comes you&#039;ll be ready to see &quot;told ya so&quot;.

Meanwhile $Billions will have been spent for people to polish SLS chrome here on Earth instead of on exploring space using existing rockets...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Building a heavy lifter capable of sending people beyond LEO is on the same level as building an aircraft carrier to strike at enemies of the Republic. Each serves a national need.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re saying that NASA&#8217;s equivalent of a big truck is the same as force projection and national security?  I don&#8217;t think you understand what the military does.</p>
<p>But setting aside your lack of understanding for the military, the SLS is still a rocket looking for a payload and a mission.  Other than Apollo 8 redux, there are no SLS-specific missions funded or even planned.</p>
<p>The SLS is a faith-based initiative, in that people like you have faith that some day there will be a need for at least one SLS rocket.  When?  No one knows, but when that time comes you&#8217;ll be ready to see &#8220;told ya so&#8221;.</p>
<p>Meanwhile $Billions will have been spent for people to polish SLS chrome here on Earth instead of on exploring space using existing rockets&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Rand...nice piece on The Weekly Standard blog RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rand&#8230;nice piece on The Weekly Standard blog RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 20:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

Oler, you sound like Mr. Van Driesen in a recent episode of Beavis and Butthead. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.&gt;&gt;

goofy

the purpose of the military in The United States is to deter war.  We are not an aggressor nation.  We became that during Bush the last when he lied about Iraq and its threat to us, but the military&#039;s role since the founding of  The Republic has been to deter war.  If you dont know that then you dont understand how we are a special nation.

No matter if the super committee succeeds or fails there are budget cuts coming.  If it succeeds then there are cuts that they have chosen coming if they fail then the law mandates cuts.  

It is that simple...both in current events and history.  There is no chance that the super committee will not have cuts and the Congress will decide &quot;OK no cuts at all&quot; ...the GOP right wing boxed itself nicely into that one...and one of the first things to go in space funding will be SLS.

watch.  you have been wrong on everything since your notion that we would take Iraq and hold it with 50,000 troops

Robert G. Oler]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:58 pm</p>
<p>Oler, you sound like Mr. Van Driesen in a recent episode of Beavis and Butthead. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>goofy</p>
<p>the purpose of the military in The United States is to deter war.  We are not an aggressor nation.  We became that during Bush the last when he lied about Iraq and its threat to us, but the military&#8217;s role since the founding of  The Republic has been to deter war.  If you dont know that then you dont understand how we are a special nation.</p>
<p>No matter if the super committee succeeds or fails there are budget cuts coming.  If it succeeds then there are cuts that they have chosen coming if they fail then the law mandates cuts.  </p>
<p>It is that simple&#8230;both in current events and history.  There is no chance that the super committee will not have cuts and the Congress will decide &#8220;OK no cuts at all&#8221; &#8230;the GOP right wing boxed itself nicely into that one&#8230;and one of the first things to go in space funding will be SLS.</p>
<p>watch.  you have been wrong on everything since your notion that we would take Iraq and hold it with 50,000 troops</p>
<p>Robert G. Oler</p>
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		<title>By: Mark R. Whittington</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark R. Whittington]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oler, you sound like Mr. Van Driesen in a recent episode of Beavis and Butthead. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.

The super committee process is currently falling apart.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oler, you sound like Mr. Van Driesen in a recent episode of Beavis and Butthead. The purpose of the military is to kill people and break things.</p>
<p>The super committee process is currently falling apart.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 pm

By the wall, SLS cannot be â€œcrony capitalismâ€ due to the fact that it isnâ€™t capitalism. Building a heavy lifter capable of sending people beyond LEO is on the same level as building an aircraft carrier to strike at enemies of the Republic&gt;&gt;

actually you got both roles wrong. It comes from being a right winger to lont

A CVN&#039;s role is to keep the peace.  For the most part they do it without firing a shot...that is their role.  Traditionally only when there has been no alternative to fighting&#039; that is when they deal with the enemies of  The Republic.

SLS has no mission.  There is no payload for it, it is being built to no purpose; it is simply pork designed to funnel money to crony capitalism companies who without it would go, without notice out of business...and to keep people like you who think of the US as some teenager shouting &quot;Team USA&quot; or whatever nutty thing you are doing these days.

As for fully funded.  LOL, you use to follow politics better then this.  When the super committee comes in with its cuts or flounders and the random cutting starts...SLS will be the first to go.  Watch 

RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark R. Whittington wrote @ November 15th, 2011 at 2:30 pm</p>
<p>By the wall, SLS cannot be â€œcrony capitalismâ€ due to the fact that it isnâ€™t capitalism. Building a heavy lifter capable of sending people beyond LEO is on the same level as building an aircraft carrier to strike at enemies of the Republic&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>actually you got both roles wrong. It comes from being a right winger to lont</p>
<p>A CVN&#8217;s role is to keep the peace.  For the most part they do it without firing a shot&#8230;that is their role.  Traditionally only when there has been no alternative to fighting&#8217; that is when they deal with the enemies of  The Republic.</p>
<p>SLS has no mission.  There is no payload for it, it is being built to no purpose; it is simply pork designed to funnel money to crony capitalism companies who without it would go, without notice out of business&#8230;and to keep people like you who think of the US as some teenager shouting &#8220;Team USA&#8221; or whatever nutty thing you are doing these days.</p>
<p>As for fully funded.  LOL, you use to follow politics better then this.  When the super committee comes in with its cuts or flounders and the random cutting starts&#8230;SLS will be the first to go.  Watch </p>
<p>RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Solyndra was given a 500 million loan guarantee so they could build the infrastructure to mass produce an existing product to sell to private consumers. The U.S federal government spent 3 billion on solar, the Chinese spent 38 billion .. we know who won.

Commercial crew was given 320 million, in competitively bid, fixed priced, milestone based, contracts. No loan guarantees. A federal agency of the United States has been ordered to purchase a service for a domestic commercial transportation product that is currently non-existant. That federal agency is buying the specific milestones they believe are needed to create the transportation product, by commercial firms. The commercial firm has to fund each milestone themselves and only get paid once the milestone is met. No subsidies, no crony capitalism, no cost plus contracts, no elevator clauses, no pork.

To compare Solyndra to commercial crew would be as insane as someone saying that planet whittington is based in our reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Solyndra was given a 500 million loan guarantee so they could build the infrastructure to mass produce an existing product to sell to private consumers. The U.S federal government spent 3 billion on solar, the Chinese spent 38 billion .. we know who won.</p>
<p>Commercial crew was given 320 million, in competitively bid, fixed priced, milestone based, contracts. No loan guarantees. A federal agency of the United States has been ordered to purchase a service for a domestic commercial transportation product that is currently non-existant. That federal agency is buying the specific milestones they believe are needed to create the transportation product, by commercial firms. The commercial firm has to fund each milestone themselves and only get paid once the milestone is met. No subsidies, no crony capitalism, no cost plus contracts, no elevator clauses, no pork.</p>
<p>To compare Solyndra to commercial crew would be as insane as someone saying that planet whittington is based in our reality.</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2011 19:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. BEO exploration with Constellation/SLS/Orion is dead, because Congress is going ot fund development until they get tired of it, but never the much larger budget needed to even reach, let alone actually colonize the moon and Mars with this technology. John McCain said so in 2004, and it is still true today. Hey, if you can find the money to keep a few hundred people alive on Mars, let us know.

2. The Constellation lobby would have taken all the money without Musk&#039;s leadership. As it is, he as least has a little. It is usually best in the long run to say what you think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. BEO exploration with Constellation/SLS/Orion is dead, because Congress is going ot fund development until they get tired of it, but never the much larger budget needed to even reach, let alone actually colonize the moon and Mars with this technology. John McCain said so in 2004, and it is still true today. Hey, if you can find the money to keep a few hundred people alive on Mars, let us know.</p>
<p>2. The Constellation lobby would have taken all the money without Musk&#8217;s leadership. As it is, he as least has a little. It is usually best in the long run to say what you think.</p>
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