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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/12/07/ula-wants-nasa-to-accelerate-commercial-crew-decision/#comment-358586</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byeman wrote:

&lt;i&gt;â€œYour â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy slowing down Spacexâ€
Is that more understandable for a tour guide?&lt;/i&gt;

Let&#039;s ignore your insults and lies, and get back to the fundamental point &#8212; you don&#039;t know what the word &quot;bureaucracy&quot; means.

NASA delayed the SpaceX launch for months because they were afraid of what might happen with the OrbComm launches.  That is indisputable.

Russia delayed the SpaceX launch for months supposedly because they were afraid Dragon would crash into the ISS &#8212; which is a laugh given their recent track record.  NASA bureaucracy flew to Moscow to appease the Russians.  It&#039;s been widely reported that NASA bureaucracy was trying to figure out a way to conduct the mission without offending the Russians.

Personally, I think the Russians wanted to delay Dragon because they know once it&#039;s operational for commercial crew then the Russian monopoly comes to an end.

Hopefully that is simple enough even for you.  It is my last post on the subject.  Find someone else to troll.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byeman wrote:</p>
<p><i>â€œYour â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy slowing down Spacexâ€<br />
Is that more understandable for a tour guide?</i></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s ignore your insults and lies, and get back to the fundamental point &mdash; you don&#8217;t know what the word &#8220;bureaucracy&#8221; means.</p>
<p>NASA delayed the SpaceX launch for months because they were afraid of what might happen with the OrbComm launches.  That is indisputable.</p>
<p>Russia delayed the SpaceX launch for months supposedly because they were afraid Dragon would crash into the ISS &mdash; which is a laugh given their recent track record.  NASA bureaucracy flew to Moscow to appease the Russians.  It&#8217;s been widely reported that NASA bureaucracy was trying to figure out a way to conduct the mission without offending the Russians.</p>
<p>Personally, I think the Russians wanted to delay Dragon because they know once it&#8217;s operational for commercial crew then the Russian monopoly comes to an end.</p>
<p>Hopefully that is simple enough even for you.  It is my last post on the subject.  Find someone else to troll.</p>
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		<title>By: Byeman</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/12/07/ula-wants-nasa-to-accelerate-commercial-crew-decision/#comment-358547</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[OK, I will make a more detailed sentence for you.   &quot;Your â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy slowing down Spacex&quot;  
Is that more understandable for a tour guide?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I will make a more detailed sentence for you.   &#8220;Your â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy slowing down Spacex&#8221;<br />
Is that more understandable for a tour guide?</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/12/07/ula-wants-nasa-to-accelerate-commercial-crew-decision/#comment-358521</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 22:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byeman wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Your â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy.&lt;/i&gt;

Sounds to me like you don&#039;t know what the word &quot;bureaucracy&quot; means.

I suggest that &lt;a href=&quot;http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bureaucracy&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you click here&lt;/a&gt; and read the definition of &quot;bureaucracy.&quot;

If you want to seriously claim that NASA has no bureaucracy, then I&#039;m going to move on because you would seem to have no idea what a government agency is all about.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byeman wrote:</p>
<p><i>Your â€œspecificsâ€ do not support your claim of bureaucracy.</i></p>
<p>Sounds to me like you don&#8217;t know what the word &#8220;bureaucracy&#8221; means.</p>
<p>I suggest that <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bureaucracy" rel="nofollow">you click here</a> and read the definition of &#8220;bureaucracy.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you want to seriously claim that NASA has no bureaucracy, then I&#8217;m going to move on because you would seem to have no idea what a government agency is all about.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 19:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;he was trying to remove a sitting President for what came down to a consensual affair&lt;/em&gt;

No matter how many times this lie is repeated, it does not become true.  Clinton was not impeached for having an affair.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>he was trying to remove a sitting President for what came down to a consensual affair</em></p>
<p>No matter how many times this lie is repeated, it does not become true.  Clinton was not impeached for having an affair.</p>
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		<title>By: Byeman</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2011/12/07/ula-wants-nasa-to-accelerate-commercial-crew-decision/#comment-358510</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Byeman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 12:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My opinion is that the delays are due to â€œparalysis by analysis.&quot;

Uninformed opinion.  

Your &quot;specifics&quot; do not support your claim of bureaucracy.

Spacex software was not ready.
Dragon could plow into the ISS while is approaching the it, there is no difference between berthing and docking in this respect.

the Popsci document claim is for manned missions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My opinion is that the delays are due to â€œparalysis by analysis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Uninformed opinion.  </p>
<p>Your &#8220;specifics&#8221; do not support your claim of bureaucracy.</p>
<p>Spacex software was not ready.<br />
Dragon could plow into the ISS while is approaching the it, there is no difference between berthing and docking in this respect.</p>
<p>the Popsci document claim is for manned missions.</p>
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		<title>By: Seer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 08:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Edgar Zapata, liked your articles on costing the eelv program and the ssto rocket. The last one especially.  Would you care to guess what the latest costs for the eelv rockets are?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edgar Zapata, liked your articles on costing the eelv program and the ssto rocket. The last one especially.  Would you care to guess what the latest costs for the eelv rockets are?</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[common sense wrote @ December 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm

@ Robert G. Oler wrote @ December 8th, 2011 at 11:17 pm

What I think you are describing, if correct, would even be â€œsupremerâ€ irony. ...

It is however not surprising.  I would expect the Europeans and Russians to be far more successful with a government run venture trying to appeal to private enterprise BECAUSE they have far more experience with it and really know how to make it work in a limited sense.

My point in the 84 article was that the US had less history in such endeavors...The Army tried to fly the airmail in the 30&#039;s and failed...the FAA runs the Airtraffic control system and runs it well; but the system evolves slowly and other then the actual control environment is not dynamic...and none of these things were done by an agency that had little or no operational experience.  

The later is in my view what killed the effort...clearly the technology was immature but what really floundered was with no operational experience the agency was unable to know where and when to streamline....a key indicator of this was the continued waiving of flight rules..

Had it worked the world would be a different place; that it did not only means we have wasted three decades RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>common sense wrote @ December 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm</p>
<p>@ Robert G. Oler wrote @ December 8th, 2011 at 11:17 pm</p>
<p>What I think you are describing, if correct, would even be â€œsupremerâ€ irony. &#8230;</p>
<p>It is however not surprising.  I would expect the Europeans and Russians to be far more successful with a government run venture trying to appeal to private enterprise BECAUSE they have far more experience with it and really know how to make it work in a limited sense.</p>
<p>My point in the 84 article was that the US had less history in such endeavors&#8230;The Army tried to fly the airmail in the 30&#8217;s and failed&#8230;the FAA runs the Airtraffic control system and runs it well; but the system evolves slowly and other then the actual control environment is not dynamic&#8230;and none of these things were done by an agency that had little or no operational experience.  </p>
<p>The later is in my view what killed the effort&#8230;clearly the technology was immature but what really floundered was with no operational experience the agency was unable to know where and when to streamline&#8230;.a key indicator of this was the continued waiving of flight rules..</p>
<p>Had it worked the world would be a different place; that it did not only means we have wasted three decades RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 06:01:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[E.P. Grondine wrote @ December 9th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
&quot;
What sank Newt with his colleagues was his attempt to build a â€œPentagon Southâ€ outside of Atlanta.

My guess is that while Newt might be able to get the nomination, his series of trophy wives will sink him with female voters. &quot;

What sank Newt in his run as speaker were three things; the first is that he became intensely disliked by the members of the House; this was mostly because while he was trying to remove a sitting President for what came down to a consensual affair, Newt was having one himself.  And finally was his attitude when confronted with this.  &quot;Morning Joe&quot; has on many occassions told the story of him confronting The Speaker with proof of His affair and on one occasion being told essentially that what Newt did was Newts business and that was OK because he (Newt) was a great leader, as Joe puts it &quot;it doesnt matter that I do what I say, just that I say it&quot;...thats a direct quote from Morning Joe&#039;s comments on  Thursday of this week and Gingrich wont deny them.

All sins can be forgiven in some circumstances and for most Americans that includes the three wives; but if Newt is the nominee I predict what will derail him is some sort of current hypocrisy where he is caught in a recent instance of saying one thing for the masses and doing another...a la FAnnie Mae.

Having said that there is in my view no chance that ATK&#039;s launcher &quot;Liberty&quot; will ever launch anything except in view graphs.  One can see ULA already moving to cut off new entrants into the field...think Brannif/SWA  RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>E.P. Grondine wrote @ December 9th, 2011 at 4:52 pm<br />
&#8221;<br />
What sank Newt with his colleagues was his attempt to build a â€œPentagon Southâ€ outside of Atlanta.</p>
<p>My guess is that while Newt might be able to get the nomination, his series of trophy wives will sink him with female voters. &#8221;</p>
<p>What sank Newt in his run as speaker were three things; the first is that he became intensely disliked by the members of the House; this was mostly because while he was trying to remove a sitting President for what came down to a consensual affair, Newt was having one himself.  And finally was his attitude when confronted with this.  &#8220;Morning Joe&#8221; has on many occassions told the story of him confronting The Speaker with proof of His affair and on one occasion being told essentially that what Newt did was Newts business and that was OK because he (Newt) was a great leader, as Joe puts it &#8220;it doesnt matter that I do what I say, just that I say it&#8221;&#8230;thats a direct quote from Morning Joe&#8217;s comments on  Thursday of this week and Gingrich wont deny them.</p>
<p>All sins can be forgiven in some circumstances and for most Americans that includes the three wives; but if Newt is the nominee I predict what will derail him is some sort of current hypocrisy where he is caught in a recent instance of saying one thing for the masses and doing another&#8230;a la FAnnie Mae.</p>
<p>Having said that there is in my view no chance that ATK&#8217;s launcher &#8220;Liberty&#8221; will ever launch anything except in view graphs.  One can see ULA already moving to cut off new entrants into the field&#8230;think Brannif/SWA  RGO</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 00:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mary Lynne Dittmar wrote:

&lt;i&gt;Youâ€™ve made this claim elsewhere. Specifics, please.&lt;/i&gt;

http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/12/spacex-dragon-flight-slipping-further-combined-approval/

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&amp;id=news/asd/2011/11/17/06.xml&amp;headline=SpaceX%20Demo%20Flight%20To%20ISS%20May%20Slip

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/elon-musk-spacex-could-dump-nasa-6530487

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/is-this-nasa-document-saving-or-killing-manned-private-spaceflight-6518496

http://www.spacenews.com/civil/111007-orbital-spacex-delays.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Lynne Dittmar wrote:</p>
<p><i>Youâ€™ve made this claim elsewhere. Specifics, please.</i></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/12/spacex-dragon-flight-slipping-further-combined-approval/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2011/12/spacex-dragon-flight-slipping-further-combined-approval/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&#038;id=news/asd/2011/11/17/06.xml&#038;headline=SpaceX%20Demo%20Flight%20To%20ISS%20May%20Slip" rel="nofollow">http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story_channel.jsp?channel=space&#038;id=news/asd/2011/11/17/06.xml&#038;headline=SpaceX%20Demo%20Flight%20To%20ISS%20May%20Slip</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/elon-musk-spacex-could-dump-nasa-6530487" rel="nofollow">http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/elon-musk-spacex-could-dump-nasa-6530487</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/is-this-nasa-document-saving-or-killing-manned-private-spaceflight-6518496" rel="nofollow">http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/space/nasa/is-this-nasa-document-saving-or-killing-manned-private-spaceflight-6518496</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.spacenews.com/civil/111007-orbital-spacex-delays.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.spacenews.com/civil/111007-orbital-spacex-delays.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Dec 2011 23:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s the article on the &lt;cite&gt;Seattle Times&lt;/cite&gt; web site about today&#039;s announcement at the Future Forum:

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016975481_apusscitestrocket.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the article on the <cite>Seattle Times</cite> web site about today&#8217;s announcement at the Future Forum:</p>
<p><a href="http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016975481_apusscitestrocket.html" rel="nofollow">http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2016975481_apusscitestrocket.html</a></p>
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