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		<title>By: Michael from Iowa</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael from Iowa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 21:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The tragedy is that the administration&#039;s original proposal for the space program was actually pretty good.

- Shift more of NASA&#039;s budget into technology R&amp;D, focus on demonstrating key tech like orbital refueling, new propulsion, etc
- Expand the commercial crew and cargo programs with the goal of eventually having most/all transport to low orbit being handled by private spaceflight companies.
- Wait a few years to start work on developing a new public vehicle when newer technology is available. Focus on incremental goals for HSF eventually working up to Mars surface missions.

Unfortunately, what the Administration proposed and what Congress approved were two very different space policies. Congress did what it always does - look out for its own interests first and settle for less than what could be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The tragedy is that the administration&#8217;s original proposal for the space program was actually pretty good.</p>
<p>&#8211; Shift more of NASA&#8217;s budget into technology R&amp;D, focus on demonstrating key tech like orbital refueling, new propulsion, etc<br />
&#8211; Expand the commercial crew and cargo programs with the goal of eventually having most/all transport to low orbit being handled by private spaceflight companies.<br />
&#8211; Wait a few years to start work on developing a new public vehicle when newer technology is available. Focus on incremental goals for HSF eventually working up to Mars surface missions.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, what the Administration proposed and what Congress approved were two very different space policies. Congress did what it always does &#8211; look out for its own interests first and settle for less than what could be.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Willett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Willett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 12:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;â€œYou could zero out or double NASAâ€™s entire budget and it would be within the rounding error of the numbers discussed when dealing with federal budget issues.â€&lt;/i&gt;
Having watched budget cuts in many countries on many occasions  governments always try to spread the pain across departments and programs. Even small programs take a hit reguardless of the fact that their cut is peanuts in the bigger scheme of things.
And all programs argue fiercely that their program is special, necessary and should not be touched.
NASA will take a hit.
It is inevitable. Plan for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>â€œYou could zero out or double NASAâ€™s entire budget and it would be within the rounding error of the numbers discussed when dealing with federal budget issues.â€</i><br />
Having watched budget cuts in many countries on many occasions  governments always try to spread the pain across departments and programs. Even small programs take a hit reguardless of the fact that their cut is peanuts in the bigger scheme of things.<br />
And all programs argue fiercely that their program is special, necessary and should not be touched.<br />
NASA will take a hit.<br />
It is inevitable. Plan for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Googaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Googaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 09:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;You could zero out or double NASAâ€™s entire budget and it would be within the rounding error of the numbers discussed when dealing with federal budget issues.&quot;

That&#039;s what every other bureaucrat says about their program too.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You could zero out or double NASAâ€™s entire budget and it would be within the rounding error of the numbers discussed when dealing with federal budget issues.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what every other bureaucrat says about their program too.</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Willett</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fred Willett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 08:02:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Marcel F. Williams wrote @ January 24th, 2012 at 12:14 am 
&lt;i&gt;...But its clear that both the Republicans and Democrats in Congress were ready to increase NASAâ€™s budget by the $3 billion recommended by the Augustine Commission if the President had shown any interest at all in NASA or any leadership... &lt;/i&gt;
In fact Obama proposed a $1B increase to the budget and Congress trimmed it out. You statement is simply wrong on the facts.
&lt;i&gt;The MPCV and the SLS are not dead and are fully funded by Congress. &lt;/i&gt;
Er, no. Augustine pointed out that without an extra $3B a year a HLV could not succeed. And Booz Allen confirmed that the budget figures for SLS contain holes that will kill the program.
But more importantly there is no funding to actually fly anything on SLS. Just this week NASAspaceflight had a wonderful article on all the plans NASA is developing to use SLS. But not once is there any mention of where the money is coming from. It&#039;s all magic beans and golden eggs. Somehow, inspite of the tight economy NASA will suddenly be showered with money.
Ah! Dreams! Gotta love &#039;em.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marcel F. Williams wrote @ January 24th, 2012 at 12:14 am<br />
<i>&#8230;But its clear that both the Republicans and Democrats in Congress were ready to increase NASAâ€™s budget by the $3 billion recommended by the Augustine Commission if the President had shown any interest at all in NASA or any leadership&#8230; </i><br />
In fact Obama proposed a $1B increase to the budget and Congress trimmed it out. You statement is simply wrong on the facts.<br />
<i>The MPCV and the SLS are not dead and are fully funded by Congress. </i><br />
Er, no. Augustine pointed out that without an extra $3B a year a HLV could not succeed. And Booz Allen confirmed that the budget figures for SLS contain holes that will kill the program.<br />
But more importantly there is no funding to actually fly anything on SLS. Just this week NASAspaceflight had a wonderful article on all the plans NASA is developing to use SLS. But not once is there any mention of where the money is coming from. It&#8217;s all magic beans and golden eggs. Somehow, inspite of the tight economy NASA will suddenly be showered with money.<br />
Ah! Dreams! Gotta love &#8216;em.</p>
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		<title>By: Prez Cannady</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prez Cannady]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2012 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Oler:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Look the GOP has been almost one can say unpatriotic in how it has dealt with The President.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You&#039;re run to talk.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The House is run by idiots whose claim to fame is infamy and nothing is going to endear Obama or his policies to mental midgets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Your own grasp of those policies and the surrounding debate is pretty dubious, considering the guiding authorization passed with 66 more Democratic votes than Republican ones in the House under Democratic leadership.

&lt;blockquote&gt;He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Why would he, when his star team you drooled over not little more than two years ago is offering full throated defenses of SLS?  

&lt;blockquote&gt;He needs to explain why overhauling the health care system is important. What it creates what it enables.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

He can&#039;t, seeing as current law is already deviating badly from the ten year budgetary and economic performance baselines promised two years ago.  Neither he nor anyone else would even try to project out to the following decade.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The GOP today is run by a corporate elite that panders to a bunch of people whose mental state is best described as â€œprimitiveâ€.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That corporate elite is financing your new, off-the-shelf lifters, so be a good boy and prostrate yourself accordingly.

&lt;blockquote&gt;They have invented history, cannot deal with reality and long for a world that never existed. Who cares about them? Lead the rest of the country into the future.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So you won&#039;t be needing the aerospace industry in your new country?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Oler:</p>
<blockquote><p>Look the GOP has been almost one can say unpatriotic in how it has dealt with The President.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re run to talk.</p>
<blockquote><p>The House is run by idiots whose claim to fame is infamy and nothing is going to endear Obama or his policies to mental midgets.</p></blockquote>
<p>Your own grasp of those policies and the surrounding debate is pretty dubious, considering the guiding authorization passed with 66 more Democratic votes than Republican ones in the House under Democratic leadership.</p>
<blockquote><p>He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.</p></blockquote>
<p>Why would he, when his star team you drooled over not little more than two years ago is offering full throated defenses of SLS?  </p>
<blockquote><p>He needs to explain why overhauling the health care system is important. What it creates what it enables.</p></blockquote>
<p>He can&#8217;t, seeing as current law is already deviating badly from the ten year budgetary and economic performance baselines promised two years ago.  Neither he nor anyone else would even try to project out to the following decade.</p>
<blockquote><p>The GOP today is run by a corporate elite that panders to a bunch of people whose mental state is best described as â€œprimitiveâ€.</p></blockquote>
<p>That corporate elite is financing your new, off-the-shelf lifters, so be a good boy and prostrate yourself accordingly.</p>
<blockquote><p>They have invented history, cannot deal with reality and long for a world that never existed. Who cares about them? Lead the rest of the country into the future.</p></blockquote>
<p>So you won&#8217;t be needing the aerospace industry in your new country?</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 23:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler wrote:

&lt;I&gt;&quot;I would like to see Obama give a speech on his vision for The Republic in general but in specific on several issues including space politics. He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I understand where you are coming from now. I agree, I would like to hear speeches like that myself. I thought you were saying that by doing this we would get some movement in Congress, that is what I disagreed with. I just do not see the President getting much of anything anymore from the right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert G. Oler wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;I would like to see Obama give a speech on his vision for The Republic in general but in specific on several issues including space politics. He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I understand where you are coming from now. I agree, I would like to hear speeches like that myself. I thought you were saying that by doing this we would get some movement in Congress, that is what I disagreed with. I just do not see the President getting much of anything anymore from the right.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 22:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vladislaw wrote @ January 24th, 2012 at 2:58 pm

Robert G. Oler wrote:

â€œWhat is annoying is that Obama is that there is an inspiring program that can be doneâ€¦with what we have RGOâ€

you replied
Actually, I have to disagree with you on this one Robert. It doesnâ€™t matter how inspiring President Obama is. &quot;

Look the GOP has been almost one can say unpatriotic in how it has dealt with The President.  The House is run by idiots whose claim to fame is infamy and nothing is going to endear Obama or his policies to mental midgets.  

BUT thats not me.  I voted for McCain but knew he was toast in October and we have one President at a time, on this board when the SCOTUS gave its Bush ruling I more or less said &quot;Its over&quot;. 

I would like to see Obama give a speech on his vision for The Republic in general but in specific on several issues including space politics.  He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.  He needs to explain why overhauling the health care system is important.  What it creates what it enables.

The GOP today is run by a corporate elite that panders to a bunch of people whose mental state is best described as &quot;primitive&quot;.  They have invented history, cannot deal with reality and long for a world that never existed.  Who cares about them?  Lead the rest of the country into the future.  RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vladislaw wrote @ January 24th, 2012 at 2:58 pm</p>
<p>Robert G. Oler wrote:</p>
<p>â€œWhat is annoying is that Obama is that there is an inspiring program that can be doneâ€¦with what we have RGOâ€</p>
<p>you replied<br />
Actually, I have to disagree with you on this one Robert. It doesnâ€™t matter how inspiring President Obama is. &#8221;</p>
<p>Look the GOP has been almost one can say unpatriotic in how it has dealt with The President.  The House is run by idiots whose claim to fame is infamy and nothing is going to endear Obama or his policies to mental midgets.  </p>
<p>BUT thats not me.  I voted for McCain but knew he was toast in October and we have one President at a time, on this board when the SCOTUS gave its Bush ruling I more or less said &#8220;Its over&#8221;. </p>
<p>I would like to see Obama give a speech on his vision for The Republic in general but in specific on several issues including space politics.  He needs to explain if he comprehends why a private space industry in a country that never had a national airline; is important.  He needs to explain why overhauling the health care system is important.  What it creates what it enables.</p>
<p>The GOP today is run by a corporate elite that panders to a bunch of people whose mental state is best described as &#8220;primitive&#8221;.  They have invented history, cannot deal with reality and long for a world that never existed.  Who cares about them?  Lead the rest of the country into the future.  RGO</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;Obama was told that he should cancel NASAâ€™s Bush-era Constellation program, along with its support projects, like the Ares launch vehicles, which were designed to return astronauts to the moon by 2020.&#039;  

&lt;- Lori Garver&#039;s fingerprints are on this one. The Garver-Griffin feud in a nutshell.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Obama was told that he should cancel NASAâ€™s Bush-era Constellation program, along with its support projects, like the Ares launch vehicles, which were designed to return astronauts to the moon by 2020.&#8217;  </p>
<p>&lt;- Lori Garver&#039;s fingerprints are on this one. The Garver-Griffin feud in a nutshell.</p>
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		<title>By: DCSCA</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DCSCA]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 21:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Obama Administration announced its &#039;space policy&#039; nearly two years this April ago down at KSC. That box is checked, out of the in box, stamped, filed and done. Space is not a prioirty with the national and global economy facing defaults, recessions and depressions. Tough times for luxury items like civilian space programs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Obama Administration announced its &#8216;space policy&#8217; nearly two years this April ago down at KSC. That box is checked, out of the in box, stamped, filed and done. Space is not a prioirty with the national and global economy facing defaults, recessions and depressions. Tough times for luxury items like civilian space programs.</p>
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		<title>By: Vladislaw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vladislaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2012 19:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler wrote:
 
&lt;I&gt;&quot;What is annoying is that Obama is that there is an inspiring program that can be doneâ€¦with what we have RGO&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Actually, I have to disagree with you on this one Robert. It doesn&#039;t matter how inspiring President Obama is. In my opinion, the more inspiring a speech or program is that he gives, or proposes the worst it will likely turn out for him. The Republicans in the congress, and surely in the House, do not want inspiring out of this President, they want failure and are willing to cast votes that are actually in the Nation&#039;s best interest if it means a defeat for him in the next election. This President will likely rack up an astounding 400 filisbusters his first term. Republicans have been willing to even fillibuster legislation they were in favor of under President Bush.  

Maybe in the lame duck it might change, if the President wins reelection, but I will not be holding my breath. The more inspiring this President tries to be, the more he is shot down by the opposition.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert G. Oler wrote:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;What is annoying is that Obama is that there is an inspiring program that can be doneâ€¦with what we have RGO&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Actually, I have to disagree with you on this one Robert. It doesn&#8217;t matter how inspiring President Obama is. In my opinion, the more inspiring a speech or program is that he gives, or proposes the worst it will likely turn out for him. The Republicans in the congress, and surely in the House, do not want inspiring out of this President, they want failure and are willing to cast votes that are actually in the Nation&#8217;s best interest if it means a defeat for him in the next election. This President will likely rack up an astounding 400 filisbusters his first term. Republicans have been willing to even fillibuster legislation they were in favor of under President Bush.  </p>
<p>Maybe in the lame duck it might change, if the President wins reelection, but I will not be holding my breath. The more inspiring this President tries to be, the more he is shot down by the opposition.</p>
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