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		<title>By: Martijn Meijering</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/02/14/reactions-to-the-nasa-budget-rollout/#comment-361972</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martijn Meijering]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 19:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;These reductions will slow the development of the SLS and the Orion crew vehicle, making it impossible for them to provide backup capability for supporting the space station&lt;/i&gt;

Do people who argue for SLS + Orion as a backup for commercial crew want to see EELV / Falcon + commercial crew as a backup for SLS + Orion? If not, what does that suggest about their real motives?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>These reductions will slow the development of the SLS and the Orion crew vehicle, making it impossible for them to provide backup capability for supporting the space station</i></p>
<p>Do people who argue for SLS + Orion as a backup for commercial crew want to see EELV / Falcon + commercial crew as a backup for SLS + Orion? If not, what does that suggest about their real motives?</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/02/14/reactions-to-the-nasa-budget-rollout/#comment-361952</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 14:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@MrEarl
&lt;i&gt;&quot;As I told you, the in-fighting between Commercial Crew and Exploration has already begun.
 We must fight for any increase in Exploration funds to be provided by an increase in NASA funding not by robbing peter to pay paul.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I agree there &lt;b&gt;should&lt;/b&gt; be an increase in the Exploration budget. However, as the situation exists in all branches of the federal government, such an increase has the proverbial snowball&#039;s chance in Hell.   Given that fact, if we choose &quot;Peter&quot; as the inherently wasteful SLS and &quot;Paul&quot; as Commercial crew, it would be a true service and benefit to the nation as a whole.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@MrEarl<br />
<i>&#8220;As I told you, the in-fighting between Commercial Crew and Exploration has already begun.<br />
 We must fight for any increase in Exploration funds to be provided by an increase in NASA funding not by robbing peter to pay paul.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I agree there <b>should</b> be an increase in the Exploration budget. However, as the situation exists in all branches of the federal government, such an increase has the proverbial snowball&#8217;s chance in Hell.   Given that fact, if we choose &#8220;Peter&#8221; as the inherently wasteful SLS and &#8220;Paul&#8221; as Commercial crew, it would be a true service and benefit to the nation as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/02/14/reactions-to-the-nasa-budget-rollout/#comment-361931</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/spacenews/files/d03e04ac84446264c13f3362a7e7ebcd-383.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a sobering assessment&lt;/a&gt; out of today&#039;s commercial crew conference in Cocoa Beach:

&lt;i&gt;The Obama administration has asked Congress for $830 million in fiscal 2013 to fund on-going development of new commercial manned spacecraft to ferry astronauts to and from the International Space Station. But NASA only got half of what it asked for in 2012, a cut that effectively pushed the first operational launch back one year to 2017, and program officials said Tuesday any similar cuts in 2013 and beyond could push the program to the brink of irrelevance.

That&#039;s because the space station is the primary destination for private-sector spacecraft and the government currently is committed to operating the lab complex only through 2020. While NASA and its partners hope to keep the station going beyond that, funding is not assured.

If Congress significantly reduces funding for the commercial crew initiative again, if NASA only ends up with $300 million to $400 million per year for the next five years instead of the $800 million or so per year that&#039;s currently envisioned, &quot;I would say it doesn&#039;t make a whole lot of sense to do this program,&quot; said Phil McAlister, director of commercial spaceflight development at NASA headquarters.&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/network/news/space/home/spacenews/files/d03e04ac84446264c13f3362a7e7ebcd-383.html" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a sobering assessment</a> out of today&#8217;s commercial crew conference in Cocoa Beach:</p>
<p><i>The Obama administration has asked Congress for $830 million in fiscal 2013 to fund on-going development of new commercial manned spacecraft to ferry astronauts to and from the International Space Station. But NASA only got half of what it asked for in 2012, a cut that effectively pushed the first operational launch back one year to 2017, and program officials said Tuesday any similar cuts in 2013 and beyond could push the program to the brink of irrelevance.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s because the space station is the primary destination for private-sector spacecraft and the government currently is committed to operating the lab complex only through 2020. While NASA and its partners hope to keep the station going beyond that, funding is not assured.</p>
<p>If Congress significantly reduces funding for the commercial crew initiative again, if NASA only ends up with $300 million to $400 million per year for the next five years instead of the $800 million or so per year that&#8217;s currently envisioned, &#8220;I would say it doesn&#8217;t make a whole lot of sense to do this program,&#8221; said Phil McAlister, director of commercial spaceflight development at NASA headquarters.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Feb 2012 00:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well wrote @ February 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;ASAP says that commercial crew is in jeopardy if it continues to be underfunded by Congress.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Don&#039;t know who &quot;ASAP&quot; is, but the underfunding of Commercial Crew has been discussed at length in the past by CCDev participants and pundits alike.  In short, yes the program is in jeopardy if it underfunded too much.

&quot;&lt;i&gt;If Congress short changes it again, when exactly will we return to regular ISS flights?&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Return?  We haven&#039;t stopped.  Unless you mean when the Shuttle &quot;visited&quot; the ISS for less than two weeks at a time, but that doesn&#039;t really count as much as &quot;staying&quot; like Soyuz does.  Without Soyuz, there would be no long-term occupation of the ISS.

However the Soyuz is one system operated by one entity, and that is never a good thing if you want redundancy and an increasing market capability.  That is why Commercial Crew is so important, not only for ISS support, but for expanding human activity in space overall.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well wrote @ February 14th, 2012 at 6:18 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>ASAP says that commercial crew is in jeopardy if it continues to be underfunded by Congress.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know who &#8220;ASAP&#8221; is, but the underfunding of Commercial Crew has been discussed at length in the past by CCDev participants and pundits alike.  In short, yes the program is in jeopardy if it underfunded too much.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>If Congress short changes it again, when exactly will we return to regular ISS flights?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Return?  We haven&#8217;t stopped.  Unless you mean when the Shuttle &#8220;visited&#8221; the ISS for less than two weeks at a time, but that doesn&#8217;t really count as much as &#8220;staying&#8221; like Soyuz does.  Without Soyuz, there would be no long-term occupation of the ISS.</p>
<p>However the Soyuz is one system operated by one entity, and that is never a good thing if you want redundancy and an increasing market capability.  That is why Commercial Crew is so important, not only for ISS support, but for expanding human activity in space overall.</p>
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		<title>By: well</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[well]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 23:18:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ASAP says that commercial crew is in jeopardy if it continues to be underfunded by Congress.

If Congress short changes it again,  when exactly will we return to regular ISS flights?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASAP says that commercial crew is in jeopardy if it continues to be underfunded by Congress.</p>
<p>If Congress short changes it again,  when exactly will we return to regular ISS flights?</p>
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		<title>By: MrEarl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrEarl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As I told you, the in-fighting between Commercial Crew and Exploration has already begun.  
We must fight for any increase in Exploration funds to be provided by an increase in NASA funding not by robbing peter to pay paul.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I told you, the in-fighting between Commercial Crew and Exploration has already begun.<br />
We must fight for any increase in Exploration funds to be provided by an increase in NASA funding not by robbing peter to pay paul.</p>
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		<title>By: D. Messier</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[D. Messier]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, the budget for SLS and its ground infrastructure is INCREASED by $25.3 million, which makes the reduction in the combined SLS/Orion programs $146.5 million. Not an insignificant amount, but not hundreds of millions.

If they decide to take this from commercial crew, that would reduce the amount in that budget from $829.7 million to $687.2 million. I don&#039;t know how severe a setback that would be for the program.

If Congress for some reason decides to resurrect the ExoMars effort using the same approach, commercial crew is completely screwed over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the budget for SLS and its ground infrastructure is INCREASED by $25.3 million, which makes the reduction in the combined SLS/Orion programs $146.5 million. Not an insignificant amount, but not hundreds of millions.</p>
<p>If they decide to take this from commercial crew, that would reduce the amount in that budget from $829.7 million to $687.2 million. I don&#8217;t know how severe a setback that would be for the program.</p>
<p>If Congress for some reason decides to resurrect the ExoMars effort using the same approach, commercial crew is completely screwed over.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 21:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Congress is only interested in perpetuating jobs in their districts. They donâ€™t care about missions or destinations.
 
The blame isnâ€™t with NASA. Itâ€™s with Congress.&quot;

Agreed.  Gerst&#039;s response is a symptom, not a cause.  The Senate Launch System and Multiple Procured Congressional Votes are sucking all the oxygen out of NASA human space flight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Congress is only interested in perpetuating jobs in their districts. They donâ€™t care about missions or destinations.</p>
<p>The blame isnâ€™t with NASA. Itâ€™s with Congress.&#8221;</p>
<p>Agreed.  Gerst&#8217;s response is a symptom, not a cause.  The Senate Launch System and Multiple Procured Congressional Votes are sucking all the oxygen out of NASA human space flight.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen C. Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/02/14/reactions-to-the-nasa-budget-rollout/#comment-361915</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen C. Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine wrote:

&lt;i&gt;NASAâ€™s head of human flight canâ€™t even tell us what the exploration destinations are, nevertheless what the plan for accessing them is.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s because Congress hasn&#039;t authorized any.

The President has proposed an asteroid rendezvous as a stepping-stone to Mars.  Congress has failed to act on that proposal.  Congress is only interested in perpetuating jobs in their districts.  They don&#039;t care about missions or destinations.

The blame isn&#039;t with NASA.  It&#039;s with Congress.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dark Blue Nine wrote:</p>
<p><i>NASAâ€™s head of human flight canâ€™t even tell us what the exploration destinations are, nevertheless what the plan for accessing them is.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s because Congress hasn&#8217;t authorized any.</p>
<p>The President has proposed an asteroid rendezvous as a stepping-stone to Mars.  Congress has failed to act on that proposal.  Congress is only interested in perpetuating jobs in their districts.  They don&#8217;t care about missions or destinations.</p>
<p>The blame isn&#8217;t with NASA.  It&#8217;s with Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Dark Blue Nine</title>
		<link>http://www.spacepolitics.com/2012/02/14/reactions-to-the-nasa-budget-rollout/#comment-361910</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dark Blue Nine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Feb 2012 20:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;While I am unhappy with the cuts to automated planetary science, if a choice has to be made, laying the groundwork for eventually sending field geologists...&quot;

The cuts in planetary science went to JWST, not &quot;groundwork&quot; for &quot;field geologists&quot;, of which there are none in the astronaut corps.

&quot;... laying the groundwork for eventually sending field geologists to Earthâ€™s moon, the Martian moons, Mars, and asteroids (in that order of importance) should be the priority.&quot;

But it&#039;s not the (or a) priority in this budget.  No transit stages, landers, rover, or other human surface exploration systems are funded in this budget.  In fact, NASA&#039;s head of human flight can&#039;t even tell us what the exploration destinations are, nevertheless what the plan for accessing them is:

http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1611

&quot;Over the long term, that is the way we will get the best scientific answers with the most efficient investment of resources.&quot;

An overly generic and unsupportable statement.  It depends on what questions the planetary decadal surveys are asking in any particular decade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;While I am unhappy with the cuts to automated planetary science, if a choice has to be made, laying the groundwork for eventually sending field geologists&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The cuts in planetary science went to JWST, not &#8220;groundwork&#8221; for &#8220;field geologists&#8221;, of which there are none in the astronaut corps.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230; laying the groundwork for eventually sending field geologists to Earthâ€™s moon, the Martian moons, Mars, and asteroids (in that order of importance) should be the priority.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s not the (or a) priority in this budget.  No transit stages, landers, rover, or other human surface exploration systems are funded in this budget.  In fact, NASA&#8217;s head of human flight can&#8217;t even tell us what the exploration destinations are, nevertheless what the plan for accessing them is:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1611" rel="nofollow">http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1611</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Over the long term, that is the way we will get the best scientific answers with the most efficient investment of resources.&#8221;</p>
<p>An overly generic and unsupportable statement.  It depends on what questions the planetary decadal surveys are asking in any particular decade.</p>
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