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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2012 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[America&#039;s share of world manufacturing is barely a shadow of what it was 50 years ago. If NASA does not focus on supporting civil aircraft manufacturing and the high-tech export-oriented industries then human spaceflight will be irrelevant because we will not be able to afford it. Right now scientific and technical programs at NASA with direct application to industry are being decimated. SLS/Orion has no clear application and is guaranteed to be extremely expensive to operate. It will probably be canceled before ever carrying a payload. We need less expensive launch systems, not more expensive ones. . 

Advocacy is not just about voicing support, it requires setting priorities. We cannot continue to fund SLS/Orion because it does not produce anything with a value that justifies its extraordinary cost.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America&#8217;s share of world manufacturing is barely a shadow of what it was 50 years ago. If NASA does not focus on supporting civil aircraft manufacturing and the high-tech export-oriented industries then human spaceflight will be irrelevant because we will not be able to afford it. Right now scientific and technical programs at NASA with direct application to industry are being decimated. SLS/Orion has no clear application and is guaranteed to be extremely expensive to operate. It will probably be canceled before ever carrying a payload. We need less expensive launch systems, not more expensive ones. . </p>
<p>Advocacy is not just about voicing support, it requires setting priorities. We cannot continue to fund SLS/Orion because it does not produce anything with a value that justifies its extraordinary cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Boozer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rick Boozer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;The best thing going for SLS at the moment is that itâ€™s scheduled to happen fairly far in the future, so the people who hope that it will actually accomplish something that might qualify as â€œexplorationâ€ can also hope that a great upturn in the economy will also happen and Congress will be willing to use tax revenues to fund whatever is going to ride on SLS.&lt;/i&gt;
Egad, I have observed the same thing.  Even though we could be doing so much more towards deep space access during the years we are merely waiting for SLS to be built, even if it got twice the level of funding it is currently getting.  Ironically, many of these same people are the ones claiming they&#039;re worried about the Chinese getting ahead of us fairly quickly.  Sigh. :(  More like &lt;b&gt;delusion&lt;/b&gt; is a wonderful thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;The best thing going for SLS at the moment is that itâ€™s scheduled to happen fairly far in the future, so the people who hope that it will actually accomplish something that might qualify as â€œexplorationâ€ can also hope that a great upturn in the economy will also happen and Congress will be willing to use tax revenues to fund whatever is going to ride on SLS.</i><br />
Egad, I have observed the same thing.  Even though we could be doing so much more towards deep space access during the years we are merely waiting for SLS to be built, even if it got twice the level of funding it is currently getting.  Ironically, many of these same people are the ones claiming they&#8217;re worried about the Chinese getting ahead of us fairly quickly.  Sigh. <img src="http://www.spacepolitics.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif" alt=":(" class="wp-smiley" />  More like <b>delusion</b> is a wonderful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: BeanCounterfromDownunder</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BeanCounterfromDownunder]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 02:47:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a matter of observation, it&#039;s doubtful SpaceX investors are the normal run of the mill investors.  They&#039;re probably even more risk tolerant than your usual venture capitalist else they wouldn&#039;t be investing in a space launch / spacecraft manufacturer.  Apart from the risk factor, Musk has also stated that he&#039;s told his investors that profit is not his main concern or primary driver.  Probably survival. JMO.
Wrt the IPO, Musk has maintained AFAICR, his intention to retain control of the company and thereby presumably its strategic direction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a matter of observation, it&#8217;s doubtful SpaceX investors are the normal run of the mill investors.  They&#8217;re probably even more risk tolerant than your usual venture capitalist else they wouldn&#8217;t be investing in a space launch / spacecraft manufacturer.  Apart from the risk factor, Musk has also stated that he&#8217;s told his investors that profit is not his main concern or primary driver.  Probably survival. JMO.<br />
Wrt the IPO, Musk has maintained AFAICR, his intention to retain control of the company and thereby presumably its strategic direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Lassiter</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Doug Lassiter]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 02:27:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Willett wrote @ March 20th, 2012 at 6:08 am
&quot;We live in times of shrinking budgets. Mars science missions have been decimated. Congress is looking to cut commercial crew funding â€“ again.&quot;

The total agency budget for NASA has been regularly increasing, and over the last ten years even slightly in fixed year dollars. So while some parts of NASA might live in times of shrinking budgets, I guess they&#039;re offset by the other parts that don&#039;t. It&#039;s not about shrinking budgets at all. It&#039;s about changing priorities.

That&#039;s sort of like the whining about all the aerospace jobs that are being lost because of NASA decisions. They&#039;re not being lost. Though some parts of the country are losing jobs, some are gaining. The vast majority of NASA expenditures is on salaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Willett wrote @ March 20th, 2012 at 6:08 am<br />
&#8220;We live in times of shrinking budgets. Mars science missions have been decimated. Congress is looking to cut commercial crew funding â€“ again.&#8221;</p>
<p>The total agency budget for NASA has been regularly increasing, and over the last ten years even slightly in fixed year dollars. So while some parts of NASA might live in times of shrinking budgets, I guess they&#8217;re offset by the other parts that don&#8217;t. It&#8217;s not about shrinking budgets at all. It&#8217;s about changing priorities.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s sort of like the whining about all the aerospace jobs that are being lost because of NASA decisions. They&#8217;re not being lost. Though some parts of the country are losing jobs, some are gaining. The vast majority of NASA expenditures is on salaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Egad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Egad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[The] folks planning Design Reference Missions at NASA are seriously looking at the great things they think the can use the SLS for. The only problem is all this new hardware they think they are going to get is unfunded. As Chris Bergin notes in his final paragraph

â€œâ€¦as with all the DRMs â€“ is at the mercy of political support and NASA funding levels.â€&lt;/i&gt;

The best thing going for SLS at the moment is that it&#039;s scheduled to happen fairly far in the future, so the people who hope that it will actually accomplish something that might qualify as &quot;exploration&quot; can also hope that a great upturn in the economy will also happen and Congress will be willing to use tax revenues to fund whatever is going to ride on SLS.

Hope is a wonderful thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[The] folks planning Design Reference Missions at NASA are seriously looking at the great things they think the can use the SLS for. The only problem is all this new hardware they think they are going to get is unfunded. As Chris Bergin notes in his final paragraph</p>
<p>â€œâ€¦as with all the DRMs â€“ is at the mercy of political support and NASA funding levels.â€</i></p>
<p>The best thing going for SLS at the moment is that it&#8217;s scheduled to happen fairly far in the future, so the people who hope that it will actually accomplish something that might qualify as &#8220;exploration&#8221; can also hope that a great upturn in the economy will also happen and Congress will be willing to use tax revenues to fund whatever is going to ride on SLS.</p>
<p>Hope is a wonderful thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand Simberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rand Simberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;em&gt;Personally I hope it makes SpaceX but prudent investors will wait for a successful mission next month before an IPO would be realistic.&lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s why no IPO is planned before next year.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Personally I hope it makes SpaceX but prudent investors will wait for a successful mission next month before an IPO would be realistic.</em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s why no IPO is planned before next year.</p>
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		<title>By: vulture4</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vulture4]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The AIAA goals seem to ignore the hard choices. We need practical benefits for the US economy. We cannot conceivable afford access to BEO using the SLS/Orion technology, yet we are spending over $4B/yr on it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AIAA goals seem to ignore the hard choices. We need practical benefits for the US economy. We cannot conceivable afford access to BEO using the SLS/Orion technology, yet we are spending over $4B/yr on it.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert G. Oler</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert G. Oler]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fred Willett wrote @ March 20th, 2012 at 6:08 am 

the folks at NASAspaceflight.com sort of live in their fantasy world about SLS as is most of NASA.  The folks at NASA are becoming  like Newt described them as (to paraphrase) &quot;people who sit around and think about space&quot;.  RGO]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred Willett wrote @ March 20th, 2012 at 6:08 am </p>
<p>the folks at NASAspaceflight.com sort of live in their fantasy world about SLS as is most of NASA.  The folks at NASA are becoming  like Newt described them as (to paraphrase) &#8220;people who sit around and think about space&#8221;.  RGO</p>
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		<title>By: MrEarl</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MrEarl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[â€œSpaceX has been profitable for a number of yearsâ€
â€œSpaceX has income everytime they sell a launchâ€

Oh boy, here we go again.
SpaceX has a positive cash flow the last time I checked a year ago but that is very different than profit.  
Every time SpaceX sells a launch they receive a deposit for that service which is income.  It doesnâ€™t become profit until that service is performed.   Positive cash flow can disappear real quickly once production gears up to meet the obligations of the contracts they sign.  
I donâ€™t want to make light of a positive cash flow.  Thatâ€™s better than a lot of startups in general and space startups in particular.  But remember, customers are likely to bolt if problems develop with the Falcon 9 launcher.  
Next monthâ€™s COTâ€™s demonstration may be make or break for SpaceX.  Personally I hope it makes SpaceX but prudent investors will wait for a successful mission next month before an IPO would be realistic.   
Downsizing CCDev now would be foolish.  We need to bring two companies to production so as to have backup assurance to LEO.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œSpaceX has been profitable for a number of yearsâ€<br />
â€œSpaceX has income everytime they sell a launchâ€</p>
<p>Oh boy, here we go again.<br />
SpaceX has a positive cash flow the last time I checked a year ago but that is very different than profit.<br />
Every time SpaceX sells a launch they receive a deposit for that service which is income.  It doesnâ€™t become profit until that service is performed.   Positive cash flow can disappear real quickly once production gears up to meet the obligations of the contracts they sign.<br />
I donâ€™t want to make light of a positive cash flow.  Thatâ€™s better than a lot of startups in general and space startups in particular.  But remember, customers are likely to bolt if problems develop with the Falcon 9 launcher.<br />
Next monthâ€™s COTâ€™s demonstration may be make or break for SpaceX.  Personally I hope it makes SpaceX but prudent investors will wait for a successful mission next month before an IPO would be realistic.<br />
Downsizing CCDev now would be foolish.  We need to bring two companies to production so as to have backup assurance to LEO.</p>
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		<title>By: Coastal Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Coastal Ron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 16:35:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Byeman wrote @ March 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm

&quot;&lt;i&gt;Not a true statement. Positive cash flow was the only thing that could be said.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

Well you can debate the difference between positive &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_flow&quot; title=&quot;Cash Flow&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cash flow&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20059869-52.html&quot; title=&quot;Elon Musk says SpaceX can outcompete anyone, even China &#124; Geek Gestalt - CNET News&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;being profitable&lt;/a&gt; with financial experts.  Suffice it to say that SpaceX is being smart with how they run their business.  Most startups fail because they don&#039;t get a revenue stream going soon enough, but SpaceX has be able to do that, and sustain that.

For instance, the flight milestones for the $396M COTS contract were at the end of the task schedule (of course).  And following in the footsteps of companies like Boeing, SpaceX gets deposits for future launch hardware, plus they have been getting pre-funding from NASA for CRS Dragon capsules so they will be able to make CRS deliveries shortly after they complete the COTS program (5 Dragons are already in production).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Byeman wrote @ March 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>Not a true statement. Positive cash flow was the only thing that could be said.</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>Well you can debate the difference between positive <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_flow" title="Cash Flow" rel="nofollow">cash flow</a> and <a href="http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-20059869-52.html" title="Elon Musk says SpaceX can outcompete anyone, even China | Geek Gestalt - CNET News" rel="nofollow">being profitable</a> with financial experts.  Suffice it to say that SpaceX is being smart with how they run their business.  Most startups fail because they don&#8217;t get a revenue stream going soon enough, but SpaceX has be able to do that, and sustain that.</p>
<p>For instance, the flight milestones for the $396M COTS contract were at the end of the task schedule (of course).  And following in the footsteps of companies like Boeing, SpaceX gets deposits for future launch hardware, plus they have been getting pre-funding from NASA for CRS Dragon capsules so they will be able to make CRS deliveries shortly after they complete the COTS program (5 Dragons are already in production).</p>
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