“I was referring to Enron stuffing their employee’s retirement compensation packages with Enron Stock.”

Ever the colorful one Joe.

Next you’ll be blaming Musk for the US mortgage-backed securities debacle. Then the Kennedy assassination. Let’s see, what other completely unrelated but horrible sounding condition can we “hope doesn’t happen to SpaceX and it’s employees because of Elon Musk”?

I could hope that you aren’t putting astronauts lives at risk on the ISS due to the work you did on it, but see how that would be ascribing the worst possible motivations to someone I don’t know? That’s how you sound.

Why should it– especially w/its hand out for subsides from the Treasury. Business is business. And ‘American companies” can operate out of PO boxes in the Caymen Islands.

“Christ all mighty, enough is enough.
When the hell does an American company, trying to bring back business to America utilizing American workers every going to get a freakin slap on the back.”

How about when they actually begin delivering useful payload to the ISS (not once but repeatedly) for the “low rates” of which you are so proud (by the way, those are the same goal posts I have always set – and Space X is over 2 years behind schedule even trying to deliver).

As to the rest of your post. I try to stay away from profanity but since you seem to like it maybe the board moderators will approve. “Christ all mighty” if you are not part of the Space X PR department you are missing a bet.

See what I mean? … game, set and match.

Many try to paint Musk as doing things are somehow unique to him as a startup and therefore he singularly has to be picked out and labeled a bad apple.

I was illustrating that Musk doesn’t really do much out of standard business practices that literally millions of businesses do.

And then repeatedly fallacys of logic are then used to try and paint Musk as an out of control snake oil salesman trying to sell your mom a cure all and beat his ass out of town with your money.

SpaceX had their books audited, NASA said they were clean and fact was Musk’s numbers were true.

Still it is not enough.

NASA released data saying if they tried to achieve what SpaceX did it would have cost 10 times as much.

An American success story for a completely American company.

Still it is not enough.

They launch a capsule into orbit and retrieved it, something no other private company has acheived in the history of the planet.

Still it is not enough.

Christ all mighty, enough is enough.

When the hell does an American company, trying to bring back business to America utilizing American workers every going to get a freakin slap on the back.

All I have ever heard about SpaceX and Elon Musk from day one was nay saying. Everytime they successfully achieve a goal

Simply move the goal posts and keep on belittling the results.

“SpaceX COTS-C Flight 2/3 -28days”

=yawn= Golly-gee. Progress 1 was launched on January 20, 1978 aboard the same rocket used to launch the Soyuz. The Progress spacecraft have been servicing space stations w/cargo deliveries for over 34 YEARS.

“I’m both a former intelligence analyst and an aerospace engineer.’

Then you should know better or you verify the operative term, former, as you may have been out if it for a time. “The notion of a secret lunar program is absurd.” Except ‘secret’ is your word when, in fact, it’s not- just purposely vague with intended and unintended messaging. The world does not operate in absolutes. The Soviet intent followed a similar pattern to China, in spite of DBNs statement they are not, which falls in line w/t commercialist strategy. Perhaps its time you simply acknowledge that to nay-say a Chinese lunar effort is part of the commercialists strategy. A ‘space race redux’ all but ends any hope of them tapping government subsidies– which is in line w/DBN’s position. The denial is an old strategy. No surprise there.

“Even if they do eventually go to the Moon, so what?” <- Which about sums up the attitude of a nation in decline.

@Dark Blue Nine wrote @ April 4th, 2012 at 12:41 am

"China is not secretive like the Soviets"

Except they are. But your strategy is to nay-say any chatter of Chinese lunar plans, which are in work, as a 'space race redux' all but ends any hope of commercialists tapping the Treasuty for government subsidies

"[google as source] I’m not saying it is." Except you did nd used it as an example of same to verify above ground installations.

"China can’t hide things like HLV construction." Of course they can. Nordhausen was hid quite well by Germany. (we took images of the Soviet N-1 back in the 1960s)" Late 1960's— Summer, 1968. =eyeroll= And American mission palnning adapted accordingly.

"I can tell you today that China’s next crewed Shenzhou launch is planned for June this year, that it will have at least one female taikonaut." This is not 'news' DBN =eyeroll= "I’m not a “technician” (whatever that is), [ <– you really should know about them if you're going to comment on space operations as they tend to get the work done] …and my entire career since graduate school has been with the federal government, so I’m not a “commercial shill”." Except that you are by your own postings. Garver is in the government, now, too, a shill for commercial. Bolden is as well. But given your use of language, O'Keefe could have used you on staff. But 1+1 still equals 2, not 11. Personal attacks only invalidate your position, DBN. But keep it up- it's an easy tell.

@Vladislaw wrote @ April 4th, 2012 at 2:10 pm

"Christ almighty, it is a modern marketing term, read a book."
DCSCA didn't write that.

I was referring to Enron stuffing their employee’s retirement compensation packages with Enron Stock.

Then when the company failed – for whatever reason – the employees were left with some worthless stocks to paper their walls.

I am not being sarcastic when I say I hope that does not happen to the Space X employees.